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Okay first off, I would like to preface this with letting everyone know that I don't look at spoilers- so theorizing on what happens going further could make me look really stupid. That said, I'm going for it anyway (along with yet again stating my thoughts on "Dark Dynasty."

Let's get the Metatron part out the way since it might be WAY off base. He went to get Cas's grace and the demon tablet, obviously he only made it out with the tablet. I've been wracking my brain trying to come up with reasons why Metatron would even be interested in the tablet (closing the gates certainly isn't on his to do list.) There is only, quite literally, one thing I can think of that Metatron would want the tablet for. Lets think for a second...

-Metatron wanted revenge at first, but in reality what he truly craved was power. He brought the angels back so he could be their new God

-The angels (with Castiel for the assist) realized what Metatron really was, so they locked him up. This guy wanted revenge before, think how he feels now...

-Metatron had his grace taken away, which is why he tried to use Castiels. (This actually puts a hole in my theory)

-Crowley has "gone soft."

-Crowley doesn't enjoy being King as much as he says, his heart isn't in it.

-True, his mother wants him dead via Sam which could cause trouble, but more than likely if things stay the course there will STILL be a "no touch" policy regarding the Winchesters. This kind of makes Hell a joke, yes?

Is this stuff random? Am I thinking too much? I ask because I see a regime change happening by seasons end. Metatron was an angel, now hes human so what does he have to do with the Hell stuff right? Here is my point...The tablet (as translated by Kevin) didn't have much in it besides the history of demons and closing the gates...The history of demons. As in, how exactly Lucifer turned the first human soul into a demon? How in turn that caused the demon to be the most powerful of all its kind?

I think Metatron is going to perform whatever spell necessary to make himself in Lillith's image so to speak. I know it seems like fanfiction but what else could he use the tablet for? And how many clues do we need to see that Crowley isn't the king he once was (and that there will be consequences for it.) I think Metatron turns demon (they could go crazy and him get grace somehow and go hybrid but that IS too much) and gains enough power to overthrow (BETTER NOT KILL) Crowley. That sets up our big bad for season 11, and yes Metatron was not a good villain in Season 9, but demon-Metatron could be a very different character. I'm not saying this is what will happen, i'm just throwing it out there and hoping someone comes up with a better reason for Metatron to have the tablet...

As far as Dark Dynasty, i've talked about it a lot and its been reviewed enough so I wont get into it too much. Poor script, characters made decisions that they normally wouldnt, etc...The Frankensteins have to be a red herring as i'm sure many people hope. Everybody we saw in their family gathering? Yeah well Dean is killing all of them hardcore. Charlie was like the sister he never had, whether right or wrong that she was killed off, it happened and it serves as a major catalyst for Dean giving in to the mark. The only death that would have hurt him more would have been Sam himself, and I think that has happened quite enough. I hate that they killed Charlie but I have hope it gives us a good finale. I saw a topic mentioning Cas might die. I said I don't read spoilers, but if there is any merit to that then I suppose Charlie dying makes even more sense, since that would mean TPTB want Dean to go super dark to where he may actually kill Cas as Cain predicted. He won't kill Sam. Maybe not for lack of trying (eventually,) but this MoC arc has gone on way too long, and I see it coming off thanks to Sam in the finale.

So, Dean leaves Sam in the dust, goes and kills the Steins so we don't see them in S11, probably goes back to DemonDean, possibly kills Cas, possibly goes after Sam in the finale, last minute spell to reverse the curse. No more mark. Set up for S11 would be the Metatron stuff worked in there...I have no clue where Rowena's character is going so I won't bother to guess. I'm really hoping the writers bring it home in these last two episodes, this show cannot survive another flat outing.
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If I had to guess, Metatron was a setup for season 11 and won't play a part in the rest of this season; he knew how to tap in to the angel tablet so you gotta figure he can do the same with the demon tablet. I hope the Stynes/Frankensteins or whatever they're called are a red herring but, with last week's reveal, I think they're setting them up as one of the big bads for next season. When you think about it, demons haven't been a big problem this season (except for Dean early on), and the angels are not interfering anymore, so the Winchesters need something to do.

Unfortunately, Carver has already said the Mark of Cain will continue on in to Season 11; I think this is a really bad idea. It wasn't that strong a story to begin with and stretching it out is forcing them to repeat a lot of the same stuff from last season. And I wouldn't put it past them to do have Dean kill Sam, then Castiel sacrifice himself to save Sam before dying.

I agree about Crowley; his heart isn't in it any more.... going thru the motions.

Either Castiel or Crowley are going down this season for good; if I had to guess, it will be Crowley; Castiel is too popular to drop, even though they don't have a clue what to do with him anymore.

Gonna throw another theory out there; the Stynes know the location of the bunker; what are the chances that the bunker ends up getting compromised or destroyed by the end of the season?
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Cody I love your theory but I agree with njspnfan that it will be put off until next season. But I love the thought of Metatron as a demon. He can't be any weaker/wussier than the Crowley we've seen for 2 years now. I also agree that the bunker is now shot as a "secret lair." Now that the Stynes know where it is, that leaves just one little old man in Delaware who DOESN'T know about the bunker. All of the bad guys, including Metatron and Crowley, know where it is, so it will be nonsensical if the boys can continue to use it as a home base. Which brings me to my own out-there prediction for the finale and next year. I think Dean kills both Crowley and Cas, but somehow Sam cures him and escapes death. And then, since the bunker is no longer safe, the brothers are back on the road next season, as they were always intended to be by Kripke. My further prediction is that this will all transpire because next season will be the last season. I'm basing this completely on a comment Jared made a year or so ago about how he didn't want to continue being away from home so much once his kids were a little older. And I'm sure Jensen feels the same way. Now if both Js are contracted past next season my prediction is a steaming pile of crap. Otherwise, I would love the idea that the final season end the way the series began- two brothers on the road, saving people and hunting things. I rest my (very weak) case.
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Your guess is as good as any. Metatron Wants to be relevant so sure.....why not.
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meh. I wrote more than i planned, i ramble a lot...my main basis for this is just to be like "AH HA!" on the 1% chance i'm right :p

When it comes to shows like Blacklist, HIMYM, Hannibal, True Detectives, etc. My ex would honestly yell at me for calling what would happen later in an episode/season and I'd be right most the time...SPN has been my favorite show for years yet when it comes to finales im batting 0.000

...besides season 4....that was kind of a give me
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Cody, this is the place to come to write ''books'' ;) ;) ;) ;)

I just write comments. On other shows I can figure out also :p but not sci-fi.
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WOW...............njspnfan. DAMN :)
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samANDdean10

I thought the MoL bunker was ''warded'' some how.
Hey canon is shot to shit anyway....sure
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Yeah, I feel it wandering around, tying up the loose ends. My guess is 2 seasons (maybe 3 tops).
Not that I want it to go. I hope they move to audio where they can still bring in some residuals, we still can at least hear Sam and Dean as another one of their adventures from anywhere in the timeline is revealed.

Metatron moved into the King of Hell slot would be more of a fit for him. Uugggllllly. Try not to kill Mark, though, he's just too much fun to watch to get rid of him completely.

It's just as well that the Stynes of that reality showed up. Dean was getting itchy, and we all know he was about to take off anyway. If the Stynes do exist in that reality and they seem to be their equivalent of this realities Illuminati, I say since the Winchester boys are cleaning out and rearranging heaven and hell and purgatory (and a little time travel) why not take that realities version of the Illuminati and kick 'em in the ass?

Which leads me to Castiel.
I bet you didn't know that the show was actually about him. An Angel of The Lord, steadfast, obedient, a real team player. Until the Apocalypse. Then he had to grow past his programming and engage in free will for the sake of both humanity and his brothers and sisters in heaven.

Well, you know what happened, desperation leading to power drunken pride and a Leviathan purge, then he was lost in the wilderness of Purgatory.
He learned his big weakness is pride. Then lost and gained it all in atoning for what he did to Sam.
I'm sure that at some point, he looked at the allies he had a history of sneaking around with and realized that sometimes, the best choice of two evils is still two evils.
He became a pizza appreciating human, appreciating the little things. Humble.
Here you can fill in the gaps a little further.... It's been a long journey to get him where he is.
He doesn't belong in heaven. He isn't restricted to any one of the dimensions. The Castiel we met could power his way through the planes, but Cass negotiates them with a usefulness that God would be stupid to waste.

We followed around the Winchesters because they were the Avatars, the fixers.
But its Cass whose gonna get suckered into 'taking Gods place' (remember, we were told God was on earth), so that God can go make his next thing.

[Hey! He DID do something- exactly what do you think the perpetually resurrecting, figures if someone was going to unearth the tablets it would be them, disproportionately connected to everything brothers were anyhow?
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NOLANOLA wrote:

samANDdean10

I thought the MoL bunker was ''warded'' some how.
Hey canon is shot to shit anyway....sure


Sometimes I think of the bunker the way Arrow treats the various Arrow lairs. Last week Thea wandered into the new secret lair and Felicity said How did you find us and get in and her answer was. My Father's a super-villain and you left the door unlocked. I fell like the boys leave the door unlocked at the Bunker ALL THE TIME!
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Sorry during my rant i probably wasn't super clear. I haven't the energy to reread it :p...I think its entirely possible that the Metatron stuff waits til next season, though I kind of expect SOMETHING in the next two episodes..and i was indeed referring to him tapping into the demon tablet..although good point as far as comparing it to the way he used the angel tablet. I suppose he wouldn't need to go through the trouble of becoming a white or yellow eyed demon (performing whatever spell lucifer originally did) when he could just tap into the energy of the actual tablet- then again because he is human maybe my idea would still fly...who freakin knows? At this point the writers themselves are probably just winging it to S11....now more importantly...

DID CARVER REALLY SAY THE MARK REMAINS INTO S11? Because wow, that is longer than Ruby was around for Chuck's Sake! I'm ready to move on from that story...Now that its mentioned, I agree the steins infiltrating the bunker will most likely happen. I'm just reallllllly hoping they aren't truly the big bads next season, which is making me biased as far as theories of what will happen go. I do stick by Metatron taking over Hell, possibly Crowley being forced to do his bidding kind of like GodCas planned in S7.

The very fact that demons have been of no consequence since season 8, and weren't in season 7 either, makes me think all the more that there will be a regime change. I feel like the writers are gonna be like "Hey guys, we haven't used the demons against Winchester's in TWO YEARS, THAT MEANS ITS FRESH AGAIN!"

And to the point of how many seasons remain- I gotta believe from real life there will only be one more. Not from any news i've heard, just from a general feeling that the show has run its course (I hate saying that.) I dont believe there is only one season left worth of story telling when it comes to fixing the wrong of the second half of this series, we would need two seasons for that. I remember during season 4 hoping spn would one day end with Sam, Dean, Mary, and John together again as a family..that was before Dark Side of the Moon where Dean completely hated on Heaven though. I agree we need the brothers being brothers again. Gluing Deans hand to the beer bottle, spoon in the face, BITCH..JERK!!!!! I dont want it to be MOTW all season, I just want them back on the same page, and to go out fighting.

We know neither one of them can leave the life, so be it. Give me Swan Song 2.0 except with both of them taking the metaphorical dive. Saving the world one last time, with a nice little montage at the end of all the good they did in the world, and somewhere sprinkled in a speech reinforcing their bond...This show may have faltered in its later years, but there is a reason we all are on a website still talking about it. Ten years of material, all I want is one season of people who care about this show and the characters writing a proper send off that we can look back on and be happy with. If they pull some kind of series finale where they follow in "True Blood"'s tracks, I will personally hunt down those responsible and ...okay maybe i'll just be really upset- but you get the point :p
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Hi Guys, The guys that make up the sets for supernatural did a short video (maybe you tube) on the building of the bunker, and I don't feel they will blow that up any time soon
I enjoy the bunker it is a nice respite for us & the boys I still reckon they have lots to explore in there
I agree with - how much longer can SPN go, even though J&J say as long as the writing is good and us fans won't to watch they will keep going, but i wonder.
I think you more experience people are having trouble working out the show this season,- proves how bad the writing is, how all over the place the story lines our, and how silly ? the show must be becoming. I'm a newbie here and have been binge watching SPN for 12mths, and I don't expect to be able to get things right, if you Fans are having trouble thats bad real bad.
As for the season final ANYONE'S GUESS, they realing are tossing lots around. Metatron has gone quiet to quiet, I can't see him poping up again till S11
Cas as a sacrifice - I can't see it His a Angel - take his grace been done, destroy his vessel, been done, angel blade death maybe - but then they will never find the first blade. I no it can't be destroyed, but surely it would be good to know where Cas put it.
We have a witch (Rowenna) who stands around throwing nasty insults and fileing her nails but no magic to speak of, not that we have seen so is she a bomb waiting to go off
Crowely who knows even at Cons he doesn't say much so maybe his on the way out.

I have lots of thoughts BUT HONESTLY NO IDEA.
One thing I won't the BOYS back -- Hunting Things, Saving People, The Family Business. Can we Please wind this rubbish up, and have Sam & Dean Winchester back
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okay i'm very thankful my theory stays intact. The Stynes were the red herring big bad, and Dean demolished them as i thought..good ol' wishful thinking! ...Now i'm anxious to see if the crazy things i theorized about hit or not...Crowley going bad again sort of makes Metatron taking over Hell not as important, but I still don't see Crowley as he was. He couldn't kill Sam, still has a man crush on Dean, and let's be honest- I think most of us love Crowley, but he doesn't work as the big bad for S11- especially when that was already done in season 8.
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