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From SueB

Questions:

What was your reaction to Charlie’s death? Pissed. Really a weak maneuver for manufactured pain. Did we REALLY need a fridging?

What will Dean do now that he sees Sam went behind his back to crack the book? How will he respond to Charlie’s death?
Rip Sam a new one. Go off on his own and start playing Whack-A-Styne. Works for me.

How do you think the Crowley/Rowena storyline will fit in as the season winds down?
She is so toast. Crowley is so much smarter than his mother.

What are your thoughts on the Frankenstein revelation?
Didn't see it coming. Should have but didn't. Good twist.

So what are your thoughts, reactions, feelings? Leave them here!
Thoughts: numb. Will watch again.
Reaction: Charlie's death just took me out of the story.
Feelings: I'll be better in a few days.
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From njspnfan (and I so agree!)

The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
The Carver needs to go. Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner need to go.
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Reaction to Charlie's death? I'm so very sad

What will Dean do now? Completely go off the rails, I think, killing the Stynes

Crowley/Rowena - I hope Crowley outsmarts her and she dies

Frankenstein - interesting twist and it will be interesting to see where it goes

Thoughts, reactions, feelings - sad, frustrated that Charlie's death will be pinned on Sam and his actions. I did like the way Sam and Dean interacted in this episode, though, particularly Sam's outburst in the car that that Charlie...and all of them....love Dean. Overall, I liked the episode, and up until Charlie went off on her own, I was really enjoying her, Cas, and Rowena interacting.
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I liked the episode, though I did notice a bit of canon error to suit the story. i'm sure you noticed it too....cas is an angel and should've been able to find Charlie...she's not warded and she was just in a hotel not too far off. so the whole I can't find her anywhere....didn't make sense...and was obviously done to suit the purpose of the story....but I gave it a pass because I did in fact enjoy the story.

Love Rowena.
Can't believe anyone truly loves pork rinds...gross.
I know I have thrown around in another chat room that Styne could be ....stein as in Frankenstein....so good guess there on my part....pats self on back. LOL
Charlie's death was not on Sam...Charlie was safe with Cas. He moved Rowena to a separate space...she had no reason to leave. Her leaving is what got her killed. She'd have been fine, at least for a few more episodes if she had stayed put.
I actually don't think Dean will be angry at Sam....from the way the promos look, all his anger is aimed at the stynes. Besides, how could dean be angry....it's like Sam said...Charlie loves you Dean...we all love you....kudos to this writing team for letting sam use the "L" word....and he wasn't drunk or high on meds.
Charlie's death was meant to be the catalyst to push dean over the edge....she served her purpose well.
Charlie decoded the book and sent the info to Sam...Sam will use it...he won't let her death be in vain.
I do think Sam is going to feel guilty, but I don't think dean will make sam feel worse...dean knows exactly what sam is going through.
Dean over the edge will definitely make sam more desperate to help him.
seems Rowena had a demon lover....wonder how they will play out with Crowley.
I liked Charlie but wasn't sad about her death, though it was pretty grisly...yikes....I have no doubt we'll probably see her again....nobody stays dead on spn...
I just hope Sam get absolve himself from the guilt he'll most definitely feel....like I said, her death wasn't his fault.....

styne said it.....they wanted that book and either the Winchesters or she had it.....whether or not either one of them had the book, the stynes still would've gone after them because they thought they had it or knowledge of where it went....so sam, dean and Charlie were screwed no matter what.

all in all...a really good episode with moments that made me laugh, moments that made me want to hug sam...and moments where it was just the usual spn awesomeness....

did anyone else wonder if the stynes knew doc Benton or if perhaps doc Benton was blamed for deaths that the stynes actually committed?

looking forward to the next two eps... I'd like to see dean next week on his rampage to exact revenge on the stynes. I really do think that sam is going to use the info that Charlie sent him to try to help dean...sam won't let her death be in vain....and he certainly isn't going to stand by and watch his brother lose himself for good.
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How about an off the cuff poll?
  How are you feeling about "Dark Dynasty"?
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What was your reaction to Charlie’s death? I'm not a big Charlie fan, but I hate that she was fridged. I hate that they killed another woman. I hate that they killed the only openly queer character. I really hate that the writing worked so hard to make this all Sam's fault, with everybody telling him how WRONG he is to try to save Dean by lying to him even while Dean is hiding Cain's predictions from Sam.

What will Dean do now that he sees Sam went behind his back to crack the book? How will he respond to Charlie’s death? Dean will go into revenge mode for the Stynes. He will eventually blame Sam, because this is the guy who blamed Sam for having the audacity to come back soulless. Plus, we have to remember that Sam is the real monster

How do you think the Crowley/Rowena storyline will fit in as the season winds down? Crowley finds his father, and eventually uses the information he got today to take down Rowena. I've become fond of Rowena, so I hope she makes it out alive, but I doubt that.

What are your thoughts on the Frankenstein revelation? This could be a bridge too far. I'm not a Frankenstein fan. Frankly, I think I'd take the Leviathans back over the Frankensteins.

So what are your thoughts, reactions, feelings? Not happy. Downright angry.
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I’m a major fan of Felicia Day and her Charlie character and will miss her terribly. I can’t believe how upset I am and will have trouble sleeping tonight. I actually think I’m in mourning for Charlie. I want Dean to go all MOC on those Stynes and tear their heads off, and yes Frankenstein did occur to me when I heard their name. I’m really in shock about this episode and having problems thinking. I never had such an intense reaction to an episode (well, maybe Swan Song). This is just brutal!! I need a drink. And one more thought-Sam is a worse liar than Cass.
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I hate that they killed Charlie, it seems like unnecessary drama. I didn't like all of her episodes, but I did like her as a character. I REALLY hate that Dean will now have something else to blame Sam for and I fear will be held over his head forever, meanwhile, Dean almost killing Sam with a hammer will never be brought up again. I really have no idea where their going with Rowena, Crowley or Metatron who I'd forgotten about until someone mentioned him. This Styne business seems ridiculous. Another family that's been around for thousands of years under the radar and they've never heard of the Winchesters? And Frankensteins, really? I rolled my eyes.

I thought this was terrible episode. Castiel was useless, Charlie and Rowena together had potential, but were poorly written. And once again, they left the damn VILLAIN alone in a room. He only had ONE HAND cuffed. Was there anyone besides Sam and Dean who didn't see that coming? Argggggg! And poor Mark. I thought Sam was getting sidelined, but his story was non existent. Talking to mice about his Mother....:(
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<sigh> First, the episode wasn't actually as bad as I thought it was going to be when I saw who the writers were (putting aside the ending, of course). The next couple of episodes are really going to be intense, and I just know they're going to make us suffer all summer. Bastards.

What was your reaction to Charlie’s death? Really pissed off. I don't understand why show feels the need to kill EVERYBODY off.

What will Dean do now that he sees Sam went behind his back to crack the book? How will he respond to Charlie’s death? Hopefully not go off on Sam too badly, but he's certainly not just going to let it go. If the preview is any indication, he's going to go completely off the rails.

How do you think the Crowley/Rowena storyline will fit in as the season winds down? I hope Rowena dies messy. She's been nothing but annoying since they moment they introduced her. I won't be sorry to see her go at all.

What are your thoughts on the Frankenstein revelation? Honestly? When they first said it I was like... seriously? But, thinking about it, it's clever I guess. I certainly didn't se it coming.

So what are your thoughts, reactions, feelings? Leave them here! Well, I'm certainly not going to sleep any time soon tonight. Way too wound up and upset over Charlie. At times like this I really wish for Kripke and Edlund back. They're not doing anything right now, right??? Right???? ugh.

Oh, and just a little grammar nazi nitpick... Charlie is supine in the tub, not prone. Prone is when you are on your face and supine is when you're on your back. Sorry, I can't help myself sometimes!

--Stephanie
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I thought it was a good episode. I dont know if it was my love for the character of Charlie, the way she basically sacrificed herself/went out fighting, or a combination of all- but that hit me really hard. Like more than Jo and Ellen, and im pretty sure i remember liking jo better back in the day. I am legitimately upset that Charlie is gone, but i suppose that was the point.
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I knew Styne was spelled funny but I should have KNOWN WHY :(

The fact that they are Southern is so APROPO. [born and raised in the south. hence NOLA,N.O.,LA;) ]

Comic Relieve was a bit un-necessary and at the end but I guess it worked.

CHUCK, the Stynes have a tremendous future. I love them.

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how the hell did I get to be a guest. Hi, my name is......
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Did the Styne guy take Charlie's arm? Then a piece of her will be left behind, so she can be a ghost, attached to a Frakenstein, the perfect spy. :)
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Questions:

What was your reaction to Charlie’s death?
Saw it coming from a mile off. As I predicted she was a delicate and helpless flower, unable to fight off even one Styne after fighting off two while INJURED in BotD; and a one armed Styne to boot. All of her mad ninja skill apparently deserted her. And why can't Cas revive her? He's at full angel strength and he must be nearby? Why can't the Winchesters call him and he can come on over, fix her right up, just like the last time she died. It's all so predictable, non-sensical, poorly plotted and manipulative. I'll bet they just ignore completely that they have an all powerful angel at their disposal and won't even attempt to explain why Cas didn't heal her. And even though she was warned not to, Charlie still left the safety of a warded and safe room without telling anyone, because she needed some "me time" thus negating all of her hunter instincts. And despite the fact that her own stupidity got her killed, Sam will still be flambeed for her death, by Dean and by fandom. The writing was so totally ham fisted that I thought it had to be a double blind; they wouldn't be THAT obvious about roasting Sam in the narrative and still have it go exactly that way would they? But then again, look who wrote the episode.

What will Dean do now that he sees Sam went behind his back to crack the book?
He will forever bring this up to prove to Sam how wrong he is for all eternity. He will completely ignore the fact that he basically did the exact same thing regarding Kevin. He'll "go off the rails" and still manage to kill only those people who deserve it like the Stynes because the MoC has seemingly no affect on his morals. He will "go it alone" because the MoC "is his burden to bear and he'll bear it alone" in a sad redux of last year. If at first you don't succeed, retreat your failed plot line for a second time to see if it gets better.


How do you think the Crowley/Rowena storyline will fit in as the season winds down?
How sad is it that I thought Rowena was the best part of the episode?
How pathetic is it that Mark Shepard has been reduced to conversations with rodents as a plot line? I literally gaped at the screen in horror unable to process what I was seeing.


What are your thoughts on the Frankenstein revelation?
It's moronic. The way that the captured Styne revealed the information too..... "and my family is........" (dun, dun, dun) "Frankenstein!!! mwahaha" (It's Frankensteen.... You're putting me one.... No! It's pronounced Frankensteen. ) I expected thunder and lighting after that announcement. You know if Styne had said he was connected to the Mengele family I could have bought into it, I mean Joseph Mengele was a real person and scary to boot, but this Frankenstein business seems like a farce. And why oh why did we get such a talkative Styne? He was a veritable fount of information. He practically told Dean everything about their whole operation. How nice of him.....he was real helpful.

So what are your thoughts, reactions, feelings? Leave them here!
It's pretty much as I predicted; Charlie is dead and it's Sam's fault. Dean will go off on his own again proving that he's learned absolutely nothing in the year since he went off on this own last time and got killed. The bus that assassinates Sam's character not only ran over him but backed up to make sure it finished the job. I predict lots of focus on Dean's pain in the next episode and we'll only see how it affects Sam when Dean yells at him to tell him how wrong he is. I didn't like the episode, can you tell?
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What was your reaction to Charlie’s death?
I don't get up in arms that much over the killing females thing, but this just felt wrong. Not mad or sad. Mostly disbelief. Not b/c everybody dies on spn. Heck, Charlie already died once. But Charlie was "us." She told the boys what we wanted to tell the boys. Also, I was so out of the moment (a sure sign of bad writing when a cherished character's death is not holding your undivided attention) that all I could think of was the fandom backlash and how this seemed like a very bad PR decision.

What will Dean do now that he sees Sam went behind his back to crack the book? How will he respond to Charlie’s death?
He'll be pissed; he'll kill some folks. Pretty standard bro-lies-revealed reaction. Hopefully after some bloodshed he'll have the sense to see the parallels b/t what he did to/for Sam and what Sam is doing now. I don't even remember if Dean knows yet that Rowena is involved. That will be more drama.

How do you think the Crowley/Rowena storyline will fit in as the season winds down?
Ideally I'd like to see Sam double cross Rowena and team up with Crowley to get rid of her. Or at least rat her out to him. The devil you know, and all.

What are your thoughts on the Frankenstein revelation?
Figured it out as he was starting his little speech. Mildly clever, but mostly silly. Mostly was distracted that entire scene wondering why the guy was only cuffed by one hand. Literally spent the entire scene texting about how unsecured the prisoner was. Pretty easy to see we were in for a jail break. Sam and Dean aren't that dumb. Lazy writing alert.

So what are your thoughts, reactions, feelings? Leave them here!
Hard to believe with the MoC acting on Dean that he would let Sam sidestep the conversation/questions so many times in one episode. Dean was suspicious and just let Sam slide way too much, especially after the Cas call. It felt strange for Dean not to call Sam out on the lie right then and there.

Almost none of the lines coming out Misha's mouth sounded like Castiel. His dialogue was clunky and I got sick of him calling Sam every couple of minutes. He's a fully powered angel; he's not helpless or dumb. It didn't make sense. Except to throw suspicion on Sam for getting all these calls. Lazy writing alert.

As much as I think fandom liked hearing it, I just don't think Sam would flat out say I love you the way he did. It wasn't Sam's normal voice or word choice. Sam would have said something like "Charlie's family, we all want to help/save you." The wording was all wrong.

Charlie IS a genius. She wouldn't go off alone. Flat out would not. She knows better. She is us. She knows how "the world" works. It's not a choice Charlie would make. Lazy writing. Her being frazzled by Rowena was silly. She thrives under pressure and is way more badass than when we first met her. It didn't make sense that she needed to get away.

Mostly: everyone felt very out of character and made out of character choices, statements and decisions. I'm sure there's more, but basically I kept being drawn out of the story by having to question these things. I can handwave a lot, and I often do, opting instead to enjoy the show, but this was too much.
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I'm in shock I guess even though I knew this was going to happen. I didn't want to believe it was going to happen. I don't think I can watch this one again. :(
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All poop set loose now - I have a feeling Dean's gonna lock Sam up. He aint happy with his bro at the moment. Dean's on a rampage, and it ain't gonna be sorted out this season
I assume if you are on this pg You have seen Dark Dynasty. It was a great episode and very emotional. I was one of the rare fans who liked Charlie :(:(:( Bye Felicia Day
This has put a curly twist into eveything - Frankenstein Family WOW they are really going for it (SPN) Next seasons gonna be radical, I really can't see the mark being cured by seasons end now. And I wonder what Charlie's demise is going to do to the brother's relationship. Its going to be a long hard slog from here.
As I metioned I still think Sam is going to be a Prisoner either of Dean's to protect him or because his so pissed off he just wonts him out the way so he can settle everything himself. The look in Dean's eyes when he looked at Sam while they were burning Charlie's body was pure hate whether directed directly at Sam or all the Stein's. This is getting bad I do won't my old Dean back - fans might find this exciting and Yes I do too in a way but it really hurts as well - wish I could help them :(:(:( My other is Sam could become a prisoner of the Stein's one way they think they can protect themselves from Dean maybe, but maybe Dean just won't care he is way out of control
Also I wonder who Rowenna's secret demon lover is - someone knew or someone we met before. Could Rowenna be in with the Stein Family ?? She had to be hiding out somewhere
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The moment Sam's lies became the centre of focus that once Charlie was brought in you knew something bad was going to happen esp as even she spoke of going behind Dean's back , so it was not unsurprising.
Dean will not remember what he did and what happened to Kevin , Dean does not remember last week let alone something like that . Sam will feel guilt and Dean will go on a rampage against people who are not that nice and tell Sam how wrong he was.
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Ok, I'm usually pretty forgiving when it comes to mediocre episodes. But this?? Are you kidding me? It's just felt so contrived and frustrating.

First, killing Charlie was both predictable and senseless. The writers do know they're not contractually obligated to kill off every character, right? I like Charlie and hate that she was killed just so Dean can go on some demonic murder spree.

But even more annoying that that was how they killed her. Charlie has demonstrated improbably good fighting skills in the past. Now all of a sudden she's some helpless girl because it's convenient? Insulting to the fans and her character.

Finally, there is no way any of this was actually Sam's fault. He left Charlie completely safe in that warehouse with Cas. There was really no way he was putting her in danger. What put her in danger was her decision to go off on her own and not tell anyone where she went. Plus the fact that the Stynes were already looking for her. It was her fault because she acted recklessly, it was Cas' fault for carrying the idiot ball and letting her run off on her own, but mostly it was the Stynes' fault for killing her. It was not Sam's fault, but god knows that's how they're going to spin this.

Also annoyed we didn't actually get to see much of Sam telling Dean about the book. And some of the lines seemed awkward. Why did they leave the writing of such a pivotal episode up to those morons?

Sorry to rant, but this episode was just really frustrating and disappointing.
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OHH THANK GOD FOR RUSS !!! RUSS THE MAGNIFICENT - ALL BOW FOR KING RUSS --- THE NEXT SPN WRITER LOL HAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Jen wrote:

OHH THANK GOD FOR RUSS !!! RUSS THE MAGNIFICENT - ALL BOW FOR KING RUSS --- THE NEXT SPN WRITER LOL HAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Hahahaha, I appreciate the love, Jen ... but there's a reason I prefer animated .gifs and videos.


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right now I'm so freaking sad and angry and I don't know who should I put the blame on!!!but I will never ever forgive these two writers for killing Charlie!!!!I haven't been so sad and angry for the death of a SPN character(except last season Dean's death of course)since Bobby was killed in season 7 . I just wanna know why???I LOVED Charlie and right now I'm so angry with Sam and Cas too,so I just have to rewatch the episode to concentrate on other aspects of it not the grief for Charlie and Sam's more desperation and of course worry for Dean that what would happen to him after he lost one his best friends who was like a little sister to him...:(
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What was your reaction to Charlie’s death?

Since this is the only Charlie episode NOT written by Robbie Thompson, it fell on the dynamic writing team of Frick and Frack to kill her off. It was predictable, contrived and, seriously, this is the best they can come up with for the 21st episode of a season?

What will Dean do now that he sees Sam went behind his back to crack the book? How will he respond to Charlie’s death?

First, Dean will steal a bus, yell at Sam for a while, knock Sam out, drive over him a few times to finish the job The Carver started last night, yell at his dead corpse some more, then he will go off and avenge Charlies death by killing every Styne he can find. And, I gotta say, with Dean only killing bad guys, the MoC, as worn by Dean, is turning out to be a force for good in the universe.

How do you think the Crowley/Rowena storyline will fit in as the season winds down?

Rowena was back to her shrill and annoying self this episode. I'm sure Rowena DID learn something from the BoTD and the codex that she wasn't sharing with Team Free Will, and will probably give Crowley a run for his money.

What are your thoughts on the Frankenstein revelation?

When Stumpy Styne had his long exposition scene, and mentioned their European lineage, I started thinking, they're not going to tie this back in to Frankenstein, are they? Laughed out loud when he said it; they certainly telegraphed it. Not sure how I feel about it but I'm sure the creative team is patting themselves on the back for being so "clever".

So what are your thoughts, reactions, feelings? Leave them here!

Thoughts: A horrible episode for this late in the season.
Reaction: Charlie deserved a better send off than this writing team. And The Carver is just about done with his masterful hit job on Sam Winchester.
Feelings: Disgusted and fed up - can't wait for the season to be over - doubtful I'll be back for Season 11.
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First of all, both of your clips were hilarious Russ. But in terms of the episode:

there was so much that was wrong with it, but there were a few parts I really liked (I know, pure heresy). As another poster somewhere above pointed out there was too much lazy writing, and pure nonsense in the ep. I actually really enjoyed the opening scene-who doesn't love a good eyeball scooping scene. But then when we found out it was to "harvest" the eyes for transplant into a Styne, all I could think was, did a Styne clumsily get both eyes poked out, or is there a 4-eyed, two-hearted Styne running around somewhere? Or maybe a couple of 3-eyed Stynes?

I actually LOVED Rowena! She is a much better character when she's not with Crowley. She was funny, manipulative, and I enjoyed her snark with Cas and Charlie. I also loved her calling Sam "Samuel," not sure why but it worked for me. When she warned Charlie about how her loyalty to Charlie would end badly, I thought "like mother, like son" because of the way Crowley blamed the bros for Kevin's death.

Cas did not come off as well here. He was acting like a clueless baby instead of a powerful angel, and it was solely to have him call Sam repeatedly and arouse Dean's suspicion. Lazy writing and unfair to the character. Although my kids and I laughed long and loudly at the one call: "this call is pointless. My ride is here." Pretty damn funny. But it's true, what's the point of a fully powered Cas if he can't use those powers to find Charlie? And just what are the rules regarding how/when angels can bring back the dead? Is there an short expiration time for using this power, after which it can be done only in extraordinary situations, like bringing Dean back? This is one of the things that makes me crazy. It seems like it depends on the whim of the writer whether this power can be used.

The set up to Charlie's death was also lazy writing. For one thing, it really is Charlie's own fault for taking off, and I don't think she would have done it. Heck, she's the one who said the Stynes tracked her halfway around the world. But even the way it happened was silly. Big Daddy Styne made it very clear that STYNES DON"T GET NOTICED. They operate under the radar, so what does Styne junior do? Does he quietly pick the lock and get into Charlie's room, or try to use a ruse? Nope, he repeatedly bangs on the door and bellows at her, creating a scene that should have attracted notice or calls to the cops from someone. All this to set up the frantic call to Sam and the rushed uploading and transfer of the files-that's getting to be a pretty tired trope. And where did super ninja Charlie go? She stood there cowering like a 10 year old. Didn't these writers see BOTD? Lazy, inconsistent writing--they write the character to fit the scene instead of writing the scene to fit the character.

As far as the death itself, I saw it coming a mile away. Between some spoilers I read and the many anvils the writers have dropped, this was the most telegraphed death ever on SPN. I wish they'd be more subtle, because it reduced the impact. I thought the brothers' discovery of her body had an impact. Sam literally looked nauseous, and Dean-I can't even describe his look. But I wasn't personally sad because I don't like the character. I thought the deaths of Ellen, Jo, Bobby, Kevin, and even Rufus were much more powerful. Until this recent spate of episodes Charlie hadn't even been on the show in over a year. That being said, Charlie was more tolerable to me here, where she was NOT made out to be the baddest hunter of all. What I don't like about the death is that it probably will be used to fuel Dean's MOC rage and all that results will be made out to be Sam's fault. But this death was NOT Sam's fault. He took every precaution to keep Charlie safe and she blew it. And the Stynes were ALREADY looking for Charlie, and almost inevitably would have found her (how do they find people so easily?) So she's dead either way. I was glad Sam got the chance to tell Dean that Charlie was helping because she, and "they all" loved Dean. Wow, that made me sit up because the Winchesters never use that word. But it kind of shut Dean up, as it should.

Ridiculous, lazy writing that the brothers tied Styne up by ONE HAND ONLY. And silly that this was the most talkative Styne ever-maybe he has two tongues! But I did like the reaction by Dean to the reveal about the BOTD. I liked on edge, ready to snap Dean. It's much more fun and interesting than gloomy, "I'm giving up" Dean.

I will wait to see if/how they play the blame/guilt game regarding Charlie's death. Hopefully it won't be infuriating. The fact that Sam got to express some rationale for his plan, and that Cas and Charlie both agreed to help, however grudgingly, indicates that they agreed that desperate measures might be warranted "for Dean." A few final thoughts. Now that the Stynes (and almost everybody on the planet) know where the bunker is, it will almost be ridiculous if it continues to be home base. Every baddie on earth knows where to find the boys. As far as the Frankenstein reveal, I did not see that coming, and I will reserve judgement on it until I see how it's handled next year. At least there was reference to them in the MOL files, so it's not like they operated completely under the radar all these centuries, which would be preposterous. Crowley and the hamster-- dear God, please kill Crowley off and put him, and us, out of our misery. Finally, I have no idea where they will go in the last two episodes. I hope the events of those episodes won't be as telegraphed.
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Russ wrote:

Jen wrote:

OHH THANK GOD FOR RUSS !!! RUSS THE MAGNIFICENT - ALL BOW FOR KING RUSS --- THE NEXT SPN WRITER LOL HAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Hahahaha, I appreciate the love, Jen ... but there's a reason I prefer animated .gifs and videos.


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I must know what this says.
you are THEE man.
damn this computer, I can see tumblr gifs, WTF
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I do wonder how this really went down with Robbie. Did they have to drag him kicking and screaming from the writers' room?

Charlie's death I don't like. I do think that a long-running show has to push the reset button sometimes but can't they find another way of doing it than by killing people off? This is like the ending of Jus in Bello or the penultimate episode of season 8, both of which are also on my hate list. A lot of the other people associated with Sam and Dean who die were people who themselves were hunters before they met Sam and Dean; I don't think they are totally responsible for pulling Jo into it; even Kevin as a prophet came into the story without their control, however they used him once he came. But they brought Charlie in and her death doesn't redeem anything. I don't want to watch a show about the futility of human existence, which with this kind of death seems to be the message: everyone dies horribly, that's life, the Winchester family business of saving people is a big crock of useless nonsense. Why would anyone want to create such a nihilistic universe?

I note with interest that in all the 'wouldn't a writers' panel be great?' discussions, no-one has ever asked Buckner-Leming to appear.

I wonder if this will create a weird vibe at Asylum this weekend. I should think the crowd will be split between people who are watching at UK pace, so still on season 9, and people who will have just seen this.

Finally in spite of being mad as hell about the episode I thought Curtis Armstrong's tweet was hilarious: 'I'm don't know what the hell's happening on @cw_spn tonight but whatever it is I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!! #metatron'

And that the universal fandom reaction to the Frankenstein revelation was to quote Young Frankenstein cracks me up. Gene Wilder for guest star next season!
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E oh buddy, oh friend.
what does this one say.....
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E,
no, it did not catch.
thanks for trying.
I am done.
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I wonder if this will create a weird vibe at Asylum this weekend. I should think the crowd will be split between people who are watching at UK pace, so still on season 9, and people who will have just seen this.


Yeah right. I'm pretty sure those going to Asylum 14 (sadly not me.. sob sob) would of caught up. Screw this crap of giving us across the pond S9 on TV. GIVE US s10 on TV! *rant over*
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*twiddles thumbs as she innocently looks around* Umm.. I liked the episode :<

What was your reaction to Charlie’s death? Really sad and shocked.

What will Dean do now that he sees Sam went behind his back to crack the book? How will he respond to Charlie’s death? First a major go at Sam and Castiel. Then as the anger simmers he'll sneak off behind Sam's back and go all revenge.

How do you think the Crowley/Rowena storyline will fit in as the season winds down?
Sam kills Crowley. Please? As for Rowena I hope she's in in next season. How? I don't know :)

What are your thoughts on the Frankenstein revelation? I thought "Huh.. that's clever"

So what are your thoughts, reactions, feelings? Leave them here!
Thoughts: Good episode. I enjoyed it.
Reaction: Excited when Dean quickly caught on Sam was hiding something. Sad about Charlie's death.
Feelings: I'm still sad about Charlie ;_;

Can we take a moment to appreciate Sam's low tone as was finishing speaking to Rowena? He sounded quite evil <3

Also if I'm correct then the Styne family wrote the spells and stuff that the nun wrote in the book of the damned? Did they just discover these evil things?
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:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
thanks E,
you went above and beyond. xxo
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Didn't like the episode at all. There so much wrong with it that I just ended up shaking my head.
Cas couldn't find Charlie? Why? She didn't have angel warding so that was ridiculous.
Everybody telling Sam how wrong he was to go behind Dean's back but no one offering any other solution is just like season 4 when everyone was telling Sam he was wrong but didn't give any other ideas for stopping the apocolypse.
Frankenstein? Really that was LOL awful. I suppose that's season 11's big bad.
The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.
The writing this year has been so bad that it's finally happening. They're killing of my desire to watch so thanks for that, writers.
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Oh, I wanted to add that the direction was really weird too. That camera zoom stuff is almost comical. Seriously, I was almost embarrassed at how ridiculous that was. I will say that Jensen did an excellent job of being menacing when he was walking around Sam in his chair after he found out about the book, and I was afraid he was going to pull a knife on him. This is actually the first time I really afraid Dean was going off the rails.
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I have only two things to say at the moment concerning the episode and the reaction to it. The rest I still need to process and put those thoughts in good use.

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Another friend/family member they have lost. Out off words. :(

- Lilah
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People are commiserating with Robbie Thompson on Twitter over the death of Charlie. And while I can sympathize for him that his character got killed off all I can say is thank the lord he didn't get to write the episode. As it is Sam is not responsible for Charlie's death. Mind you I assume next time RT gets to write an episode he will fix that oversight, so it probably doesn't matter that he didn't get to write this episode.

I wish I cared that Charlie was killed but I cared that Sara was killed and I cared that Kevin was killed and it turned out that their deaths meant nothing and are no longer remembered. I don't see why this should be any different. On a societal level I agree that killing the show's only LGBT character is wrong (it was wrong when they did it on Buffy too), but for the same reason killing their minority character was wrong too. On a practical level killing the show's newest, most badass hunter who all of a sudden does dumb things (like leaving the safe zone) and can't fight at all reeks of plot device.

Anyway I have nothing further to say on this episode. Until SPN gets a new showrunner (and at least a few new writers) it is going to continue to be unwatchable.

The two writing the episode didn't decide on a whim to kill Charlie so whatever else you diss them for that shouldn't be one of the points.

Jared is on holidays in Bruges today which I think is the most sensible decision anyone related to the show has made in years.
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The only ''Asian/family'' member was killed as was the only ''black/family/friend'' member was killed so what is

this about the only LGBTQ person.......


jsyk KEVIN and RUFUS respectively.
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I thought the episode was fine. Not great, but fine, especially for this season which has been ....um...fine. I don't care what fans think of Sam, I love him and do not blame him and that's all that matters to me. Once again, however, the writers missed an opportunity for maturity: When Dean is pounding on Sam about how this is what he didn't want, Sam should have stopped him and said he had no right to judge, not about lying and not about his choices. period. but alas, no. I do wonder if tptb are doing this intentionally.
I am understanding what JC meant when he took over, about the boys maturing, was not about being mature after 7 years but that he was going to manufacture some immature stuff so he could (maybe) make them mature in the final episode of the final season. Silly me, I thought the first 7 years should have given anyone enough to work with in that regard.
Anyway, Frankensteins? Really?
Charlie? Well, I've said since Bobby was killed that I will never care about another character until he comes back to life for real. So once he is back I will mourn Kevin and Charlie. In fact, give me Bobby, Ellen, Rufus, Ash, Kevin and then I'll mourn Charlie. Charlie and Rowena were good together tho.
There are still a lot of open plot lines, angels, Metatron, angel wings, Crowley, Rowena, now Steins and whatever Crowley discovered. Not to mention the purpose of Claire or that guy that tried to kill Dean earlier in the season (what was his name...gah!). And that's just this season, so much from the prior 2 years is also in question. What was the purpose of Naomi? The Necromancers? Amelia and Don? So, I don't expect much of a wrap up this season either. Someone please lie to JC so he has to wrap up some story lines.
And really, thank god MS is a series regular this year, because his part in this years story has been so important to setting up the end of the season. I really hope the last 2 episodes give him some meat to chew on.
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What was your reaction to Charlie’s death?
all I will say is I am not sad ,not happy ...that character did not resonate with me a bit .
What will Dean do now that he sees Sam went behind his back to crack the book? How will he respond to Charlie’s death?
Dean is angry with Sam...oh okay.Dean is angry with Stynes..hoo hum okay....Dean does on a bender ho hum okay.
How do you think the Crowley/Rowena storyline will fit in as the season winds down?
Rowena as one of the big bads would be fun,but hope she changes how she speaks a little,hope all her speaking like this is an act so over the top that anyone cannot believe it is an act.
What are your thoughts on the Frankenstein revelation?
wait and watch as many interesting concepts have gone to drain recently.
So what are your thoughts, reactions, feelings? Leave them here!
Depends on how the next two episodes pan out.This episode was so so.
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Honestly, these past few seasons have desensitized me on SPN death. You know, Ash, then Ellen, Jo even Rufus and Bobby ( the biggie) those were hard to take tear jerker moments. They had power and purpose. These last 3 seasons have run out of characters to kill, killed them anyway, created more and killed them. Then brought back old forgotten characters en mas, just to kill them. It's become more of a joke "heehee who can we kill to get a reaction from fans?". Yet, they've been unable to get rid of other characters despite the fact that there are no more excuses not to kill them. Why is Charlie dead and not Claire, Cole, Metatron, Crowley. Not that it really matters, it's just that "purpose" has been replaced with "repetitive" and it kinda lacks imagination.
To be sure, my expectations have lowered and I am trying to just enjoy what's there, because I have certainly not been on the edge of my seat with this show for quite a while. And, in that regard, this Ep did entertain me, interesting characters, and I do prefer to think that Charlie fought gallantly to the end. Not sure where this is going and what will be carried over to S11 and at this point it is pointless for me to speculate since I've been wrong every time I do.
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I thought the point was to add up to 100 percent.
I don't get this poll, boo. :)
alice wrote:

How about an off the cuff poll?
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i skipped half the comments because this question has really been nagging me and i can't wait...and i apologize if this has been asked and answered before but i havent been to the site in a while...ummm, why cant cas fly? i know all the other angels besides metatron (although he lost his grace so now that doesnt matter) fell from heaven and their wings burned, but cas was sent down and has perfectly intact wings right? ...I do my best to not nitpick a show too much, I turn my brain off for almost all of them because i could always find something wrong- but this seems like a glaring hole to me...its not like im saying hey wouldnt their PROBABLY been some angels..you know...NOT in heaven at the exact moment metatron cast that spell? therefore they would be able to fly/teleport whatever..but no im not taking that stance..i just want to know if the main angel since season 4 has a reason his wings are clipped....or did he just forget that useful tool so Charlie could die?
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Dear Cody,
TPTB ducking Forgot. Just like they forgot about Cas' hand print on Dean's shoulder.

ok, god brought them back and cured of all ills. yada yada yada.
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ohh you mean like how the colt kind of just fell by the wayside? ...still waiting to find out what those four things the colt couldnt kill was...since you know, the writers putting that in the script suggested that may be important exposition for down the road...smh



...and if someone tells me the colt was left in that field with lucifer i will reach through your screen and smack you. fair warning. :p
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Exactly :)

the 4 could be.
1. Luci
2. Death
3. God
4. and wtf else.
shoot. first I thought the 3 archangels but then supposedly Gabriel was killed.
scratch that.
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BTW- in response to the overwhelming negativity on this page...DAMN....This has been my favorite show since i bingewatched up to the season 4 finale, and ive always said it should have ended at swan song. That was perfect, minus final scene of Sam back...i also agree quality has gone down alot, but i still love the show. I understand the people up in arms about Sam being blamed, but I don't know...at least he isnt being ignored right? Not like this is a real person, as long as he is a big part of the story thats what matters right? ..okay im hearing myself and i guess i understand. I've always been in favor of Dean so i guess i haven't had to look at it the way some of you do. There are def valid points...Though as far as someone saying the mark isnt coming off this season..umm i bet my life it does. Its "just a curse." Its been a very vague and honestly boring main arc this season, so I have no doubt we see it come off in the finale after Dean goes crazy (and hopefully to demon level) on a wrath kick through the frankenstein family. They may not even be the big bad in season 11, just the real big bad of this one like cas being the big bad in season six....but that may be wishful thinking, so while im at it, im gonna say Big Bad S11- Spike....i F'ing miss that character. any show would be better with him in it- writers love them some Spike..just sayin
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ALICE,

I did not see the total votes in the columns. Only the percentages. OOPS.
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I didn't mind the episode at all, in fact I quite enjoyed it. There were quite a few Huh WTH??? moments but, even so, I was still entertained throughout. I don't dislike these writers as much as many do (there are others way above them on my list of writers I am not a fan of). I liked that we got more of Sam's story, I loved seeing Sam increasingly ever more desperate to save Sam, the poor boy is very quickly unravelling at the seams and I'm both worried and excited to see the lengths he is going to go to in order to save Dean. Loved his 'we all love you, Dean'.
I really enjoyed Rowena this week, not sure why but I loved her calling Sam 'Samuel'. Crowley had some fun lines too. Dean was really quite scary when he was circling Sam in the chair and I am worried about his reaction to Charlie's death - I hope he's not going to lambast and blame Sam, it wasn't Sam's fault, and instead that he'll see the parallels with Kevin.
As for Charlie dying, it didn't really bother me as I'm not a big fan of the character. I was upset at Bobby and Kevin's deaths but generally I don't get that attached to the side characters. I have no doubt that she'll be back somehow in some way at some point in the future.
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Spike from Buffy....
COOL ;)


I would love to read a PRO DEAN site. They are like unicorns, Rare and Never Seen.
This is a very Pro Sam site Cody. fyi:)
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Alice, i promise to stop blowing up your message board after this...I've been focused on how much it sucked that Charlie died from an in-story perspective, while most people are calling out how needless and cheap it was writing wise...They aren't wrong that the characters made dumb decisions they normally wouldn't have, but I'm starting to believe Charlie dying is the ONLY thing that will make the final two episodes work. If the writers are focused on making Dean truly go off the deep end, what other event could take place aside from killing Sam, his brother? They opted to kill his little sister, something he has seen her as for quite a long time. The show has made that relationship VERY clear, hell Dean was so broken after beating the "bad half" of Charlie..I am giving the writers the benefit of the doubt and saying they knew what they were doing, Charlie's death was not meaningless, and if you look back at her entire arc (especially interactions with Dean), you'll understand why this had to happen. This is going to hit Dean far harder than Kevin, Ellen, or Jo. Not Bobby, but even with that, I feel like Dean losing this "kid" he saw as a sister was the right call for maximum carnage Dean...Just my opinion


...Spike for Big Bad S11 ::Drops Mic::
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EVERYONE COMES BACK
NOBODY DIES ON SPN
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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''we'' are the only one's who miss the Alpha Vamp. jsyk :)
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Sorry. Double tap.

This site kills my iPhone.
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MY HERO RUSS ;) ;) ;) ;)
I can see said the blind woman. HA
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RUSS, WTH did you do......
the cockeyed man is gone.
DUDE
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ok now im here officially
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"Hi Cody. I chuckled at your referring to yourself as a straight guy with a man crush on Dean. I'm relatively new to the site and I always wonder how many commenters are men. Based on names only, it seems most of the visitors are women, but with a lot of the names you can't tell for sure. Only you and Russ seemed to definitely be men. And it's nice that a Deanguy such as yourself can see the Sam fans' point of view. I'm a Samgirl, but I would be almost as unhappy if the writers treated Dean the way they've been treating Sam. I love the fact that the reviewers here are very evenhanded in how they discuss the brothers. Other than Alice, I have no idea if the other writers are Sam or Dean or bi-bro fans, and that's what I love best about the site. I used to read reviews of SPN on a number of other sites, but many of the reviewers are poorly disguised Dean fans and it definitely skewed their reviews. "


i dont know why i cant just reply to that so i used quotes (from Alice - I fixed that!) ....yeah the men to women ratio is crazy. I started watching this show years ago, got my little brother addicted almost immediately, we are four years apart im now 28 hes 24...i had no clue more women watched this show, the supernatural aspect of it i thought was a predominately male thing, but the power of J&J has completely turned that on its head lol. I get my exes to fall in love with it, but haven't actually met too many that already are fans which is surprising...my best man's toast for my brothers wedding i brought up the brotherly bond of sam and dean...kick ass speech (gotta get my gloat on for a sec.) Yeah i've seen reviews that pop up on google but this site has always had the best- they've always had more heart. I stand by favoring Dean, but like i said, it is easy to see the other side. In the beginning it was kind of about Sam, then them as brothers, but quickly transitioned to being Dean's viewpoint. I first noticed it "when the levee breaks" i think, because I sided on the belief that a stronger Sam was a better Sam..I know there are plenty of examples of writers favoring Dean, but I will tell you the one instance where it bothered me more than any other by a mile..interestingly enough, it didn't have much to do with Sam (he actually had a viewpoint closer to my own). Season Six. Final episodes. Cas was caught lying in episode 20, but in episode 21 he made a million good points as to why he did what he did, and begged dean to trust him for once like dean demands of everyone else..and the writers made it like castiel was the D--k. Granted, he became one by the finale, but it did show me that the show loves to make dean its moral compass that nobody can go against without being in the wrong.....i dont know if that made sense i felt a bit of a ramble going on and all im seeing is blocks of text at this point so i think ill take a break lol...but my point is while im a dean guy, i see the flaws, i feel for sam's character not being him usually half a season every season, and i want it to go back to where there aren't lies or hostility between the two. Best two scenes in the series is "WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO" 2X22, and Dean's speech of brotherhood to Sam at the end of 9x22..there isn't enough of that throughout the seasons anymore.
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ALICE,
Only percys and eilf PM button shows while being online. I don't know it they are using desk top pc or phones. I notice that this article seems to only count ''replys'' and not both.
FYI
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PEOPLE OFFLINE have a PM button to I suppose leave a ''Private Message''
you and percy's ONLINE green lights were on and the PM button showed.

I just wish that the comments went on ''latest comments'' and the Comments and Reply's were totaled at the top.
NO BIGGIES, JUST AN FYI TO ALICE/ admin. :)
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Soooo, it's now weekend and I have had a slight breather to speculate. Also maybe I am in denial still, but while I needed to get my mind off the episode this thought came to me. So here goes.

As you know the Book of the Damned is more than important for the Stynes. It has been shown and many times said in the two episodes so this thing didn't make sense to me at all.

Why kill Charlie? I know I like criminal series and thrillers and I am more prone to mysteries and conspiracies but STILL it doesn't make sense to kill a person:

1. That has had the book.
2. Might know where the book is.
3. Knows people that also could have it and use her as bargaining ship aka kidnap her without killing her.
4. To get all the information she has.

What we know about the scene that happened is that Sam and Dean was too late to save her. We saw Charlie preparing to fight but we didn't see the fight or that she was killed. So, I was thinking because they had chased her all over the world and the ARE the House of Frankenstein they would have had time to prepare a cold body duo to use in this or what ever situation they needed so people wouldn't search her.

So Charlie wouldn't be dead and and it wasn't her body in the bathtub. Of course "the decoy" would look just like her and dressed in her clothes so Sam and Dean might not check the body is really her. The Stynes would have charlie to torture first and when they have seemed to get all from her then they would make ransom demands for the brothers to get her back.

I know this is far fetched and quite a twist but I just needed to think some reasoning that might happen. Of course it might also be a plot hole of the size of grand canyon.

But still, They are the Frankensteins after all and we saw their craftsmanship is slightly bit better than in the real Frankenstein novel. Inwards they are as monstrous though as the old one was from outside.

Also the demon Crowley send to get. We didn't get the name but maybe it is someone we know? Or I had also a thought that maybe the demon is Crowley's father?

and now to:

*insert mental angry cat here*

No, still in denial....

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Drat, can't answer to E directly, but yeah. I knew that was a long shot. Sounded great otherwise didn't it?

Oh well, then I will continue on my denial mode. :D

- Lilah
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OK, so I just watched this again, and aside from the Styne's, I actually didn't mind it after the third viewing.

Not to say it didn't have it's problems, but the nep-duo didn't suck as much as they have, and they can't be blamed for the 'Stein lineage, nor Charlie's death.


I do have a few notes and questions though (some will be rhetorical). Sorry if these have been addressed, but you all post a lot. ;) Easy to miss stuff.


1) Has Cas looked at the Book of the Damned? I can't remember previous episodes (wasn't that engaged), but at any point, did anyone say something to the affect of "Hey Cas, any of this make any sense to you?". Granted, he doesn't know everything, but who knows what little nuggets of info he's picked up after being an Angel for however-many-thousands of years. Surely an Angel can be put to better use than simply refereeing?

2a) If Frankenweenie can jump out of 3 storey building without so much as stubbing his toe; and even rip his own arm off at the elbow without so much as a scream, nor slowing him down - if he really is that strong (heck, he was even bashing on the door with his part arm that had just been severed!) - why does it take him 60 seconds to break down a cheap motel door with only 1 lock and a latch?

2b) And since subtlety wasn't his thing - making that ruckus yelling and banging on that door for so long and leaving a bloodied dead body in the tub without the hint of covering his tracks - why not just smash and climb through the window 3 feet to the left of that door? Pain's not a problem, so a few glass cuts shouldn't be an issue. Unless he really liked his pants.

3) Why smash the laptop like that? Charlie being the super-nerd she was would know full well that just smashing a computers outer shell doesn't mean her data can't be retrieved. And let's be real, she's a petite girly-girl. She's not going to be able to put enough force behind one hit to do the damage required to the equipment that would render its content useless.

4) I really hope the Styne's get wiped out before season's end. Let's be real, there's no way a season 11 "big bad" is a Frankenstein family. No way. If Eve, the mother of evil, can be done with without much of a fuss, these phony pricks can be dealt with most ricky-tick. The Styne's have to be a late-season red herring to keep our eyes away from what will happen after Charlie (another major death?). It's garbage story-telling, but if they're disposed of before season's end, I'll be able to get past what other nonsense I have a feeling is coming our way as viewers.


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I just had to find an SPN forum, because I wanted to see what other fans thought of the last ep. and if anyone has caught on to the possible resolution for the MOC. ;)

TOTALLY agree there was some seriously lazy writing going on in this ep. WTF moments all over the place and consistency/continuity issues galore! Charlie's death was almost absolutely unnecessary (though I have to say I'm surprised she lived so long). I was hoping she'd be the one to break the character death streak, but I digress. Now note I said almost absolutely unnecessary. She was definitely killed off so Sam would feel responsible, but I think it's to a different overall end than usual . . .

* The Styne/Stein = Frankenstein revelation seems like a set up for "the season's big bad," but I think not. I think there's a really different angle. Let us harken back to the cabin in the woods where we dealt with a book bound in flesh and inked in blood. Hmmm . . . any other cabin in the woods where we've run into this sort of tome? Like, say, the 'Evil Dead' movies? The Book of the Dead [Necronomicon] in the Evil Dead franchise tends to reanimate dead flesh via demon possession. In 'Evil Dead', Ash [a name that's been used in SPN, and I believe was an ode to the 'E.D.' films] experiences possession of his hand and, thus, lops it off. However, it's possessed, so it runs around and wreaks havoc! LOL! So, if the writers are paying homageto/inspired by 'Evil Dead' . . . the Stein arm left hanging in the shackles is the proverbial gun on the fireplace mantle.
* The Book of the Damned obviously details how to reanimate dead flesh, especially given the Frankenstein history. It also appears the "replacement parts" become fully compatible with the recipient, and -- by some mojo -- are wholly indiscernible as a replacement.
The Steins have obviously been using this book for a VERY LONG time, having lent a kind of immortality to themselves by replacing failing body parts/organs. Hence, the organ harvesting.
* Charlie cracked the code. The information is available and usable. And since she lost her life doing so, Sam would likely feel an obligation to carry through to honor her sacrifice for Dean.
* And speaking of sacrifice, Sam is desperate enough to make any sacrifice, to save Dean right?
~Put all this together with The Book of the Damned being about body parts and reanimation -- as opposed to curses and the breaking thereof -- and the solution to the MOC becomes obvious: To get rid of the MOC, they're going to cut off Dean's arm (and probably burn it), and Sam -- wracked with guilt over Charlie's death and lying to Dean -- is going to make a major sacrifice and donate his own arm. ~

Pleasant dreams . . . .
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