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Season 7 Episode 6
Robin's Rambles by Robin Vogel

Now – Sam and Dean enter a bank, looking very unsure of themselves. “Are you sure about this?” asks Sam. “Trust me,” says Dean. They separate, Dean heading over to an attractive brunette teller. “Good morning, Megan,” he says, reading her name tag, “that's a very pretty dress.” Like most of the world's female population under Dean Winchester's scrutiny, she simpers. “Thank you,” she says, “it's vintage.” “Well it looks new on you,” he says. “Thank you,” she says, aren't you sweet, sir.” “”Call me Dean,” he urges. She asks how she can help him. Sam, meanwhile, is sliding a bar through the front door of the bank, ensuring no one can enter or leave. Dean explains he doesn't have an account at the bank, but asks if he can get change of that—-and slides a 20 dollar bill across the counter towards her. Charmed by his smile, she says she thinks she can make an exception, “Just for you.” Dean turns to exchange an “all ready” look with Sam. “How do you want it, Dean?” Megan asks him, smiling provocatively. “I'm gonna have to take a rain check,” he says, grinning back, pulling a gun out of his jacket, adding, “and all your money.” She gazes down at the frightening-looking automatic firearm in horror. Dean raises it up and fires at the ceiling over and over. “HANDS IN THE AIR!” screams Sam at the guard, adding, in a lower voice, “your money's insured, so no heroes, okay?” 

They load the whimpering, terrified employees and customers into the vault. “You ready?” Sam asks his brother. Dean is. They raise their guns and fire, shooting to death every single soul in the vault-—in full view of the bank's security cameras. They survey their handiwork, pleased, and leave.

(Ed. notes: Now, I was NOT spoiled for this episode, but I was sure that wasn't Sam and Dean violently gunning down all those innocent folks. It had to be clones or duplicates of some kind. I just had to sit back and learn which, why and how. Still, it was brutal and cruel to watch our sweet brothers doing it, and funny to hear Sam assure everyone that their money was ensured, so no one be a hero. It was darkly funny. I was reminded of the OTHER bank episode which included doppelgangers, and found myself missing a certain FBI agent who was on the brothers' trail for a few delicious seasons only to lose his life at the hands of that beeatch Lilith.)

Rufus' cabin, basement – Bobby is trying out a little “fruit of the poison tree” on captive Leviathan Chet, who is chained to a chair. “Isn't that just a legal expression?”Chet asks. “You're going to wish it was,” says Bobby, injecting him in the leg. The guy sloshes something in his mouth, as if he'd taken a sip of wine. “Oaky,” he says, “similar finish to holy water, not as bitter as rock salt.” He grins, pissing off Bobby. Sam and Dean come downstairs. “And how are my two favorite meatsicles?” chortles Chet. “That thing still suckin' air?” bitches Dean. “Greatest hits didn't do the trick,” says Bobby, “I'm down to B sides and deep cuts.” “We'd better figure out something quick,” says Dean, “that whammy that witch dude put on him is only going to last for a few days, he gets his spinach back, we're gonna have to drop a car on him just to stop him.” “Actually,” says Chet, “Edgar walked away from that car. He's fine-—well, he's a little pissed at YOU, but. . .oh, you didn't know?” “Why don't you shut your cake trap?” suggests Dean. “Bobby, you've been using all this stuff and he still won't talk?” asks Sam quietly. Bobby shakes his head. Dean moves over a stool and sits very close to Chet. “Huddle over, Coach?” asks Chet. “How did you find us?” demands Dean. “Easy—-I used (?) recognition software and a basic algorithm to track your last knock aliases.” “Great, just what we need, a MENSA monster,” bitches Bobby. Sam asks, “Where did you get our aliases?” “From your trench-coated friend, obviously,” answers Chet, “when we were all nestled in at Camp Cas—kinda got the full download—-this is how we do.” "Why are you talking to us?" asks Bobby--"you're not dumb-—why are you spilling state secrets?"  Because I'm not scared of you, answers Chet—-I'm not scared of you, of any of you-—you can't kill us or stop us, you stupid little chew toys (this makes Sam swallow in both fear and anger)-—aside from which, I'm the least of your concerns, right?—-oh, you haven't watched the news today, have you? 

They turn on the TV and watch themselves (Sam and Dean Winchester, presumed dead), killing a whole slew of people, leaving no survivors. They are now the subject of a manhunt throughout the state of California. “Busy morning, you two?” asks Bobby, turning off the TV. “It's like they Xeroxed us,” says Dean. “But I don't understand how,” says Sam. Bobby suggests one of the Leviathan touched the two of them at the hospital. “It was the hair! Not so hard to lift some DNA out of a motel shower drain, guys!” yells Chet. “You can copy people like that?” asks Dean, disbelieving--”awesome!--what is their plan exactly?” “Squeeze us,” says Sam, “turn us into the most wanted men in America.” “That settles it,” says Dean, “we find these ass monkeys and kill them ourselves.” Bobby reminds them that every form of law enforcement in the country has seen their ugly mugs (Ed. note: hey!) this morning. Exactly, says Dean, so what's the point of trying to hide? Better than sticking your fool neck out, says Bobby, these things are smarter than you. Don't sugar coat it, says Sam. You don't have a clue how to kill them or slow them down and your plan is what? asks Bobby-—go right at them?--genius. They're wearing our faces, Dean reminds him, this is personal. Sam agrees. “If you're gonna be stupid, you may as well be smart about it,” says Bobby, and hands them information about a man named Frank Deveraux—a “jackass and lunatic” they must see. “He owes me one from back in Port Huron.” He hands Dean a slip of paper. “In the meantime, I'll keep workin' on Chatty Cathy here-—see if I can figure out what makes him die.” (LOL!)

They Winchesters drive to a gas station. Dean gets out to pump gas. “The usual?” asks Sam. “Rhymes with sing songs,” says Dean. (Ding Dongs?) Inside, Sam asks for protein bars. The clerk looks at him for a long moment and says they're in the back, give him a second. Sam glances under the counter and sees the guy has been watching the news broadcast featuring him and Dean and that the clerk is on the phone in the back. Sam rushes outside. “I'm sure the cashier just made me—-drive!” he says hurriedly. Dean hangs up the gas nozzle, leaps into the car and puts the pedal to the metal. He hangs a right and tears off. 

Special agents Morris and Valenti (I don't differentiate between these two till the end of the ep, sorry.) show up to investigate the killings at the Manitoc Savings Bank, where the Winchester boys have apparently killed a second group of innocents. The Sheriff asks if this, combined with the gas station, is a “psycho road trip.” “A couple of days ago, they were dead, says one of the agents, “we know what you know.”. “Actual serial killer?” one agent asks the other. “Crime spree means paper work,” the other says, “lots of it—-which you'll be doing-—we gotta go, Winchesters spotted at Gas and Sip.” “That's about a thousand miles from here.” “Must have flown?” “That or Batmobile.”

Sam and Dean pull up in front of the address Bobby gave them, unsure if it's right. It's dark and creepy as hell. (It sure would be nice to pull up in front of a nice house once in a while, right? What ep is that from? "Roadkill.") “Frank, you in there?” asks Sam, knocking. They open the unlocked door. “Frank?” calls Sam again--“anybody here?--anybody here?--anybody home?” A light is flicked on. A man sitting in a chair points a gun at them. “Well, well, spider caught some flies,” he says, grinning with pleasure. Sam and Dean exchange looks of fear.

((Ed. note: My guess is, Bobby did NOT call ahead to this guy. Why? It soon becomes evident. It always makes me laugh how nearly everyone Bobby or John sends Sam and Dean to see greets them with a weapon and seem more than a trifle nuts. I'm just sayin'.  Also, Morris and Valente seemed immediately interchangeable to me. I have no idea why.)  

“Well I'll be darned—Psycho Butch and Sundance,” exults Frank, “you're on CNN right now!” “That's not us!” protests Sam. “No, can't be, wish you had a teleporter,” jokes Frank-—”DO you have a teleporter?” (Ed. note: LMAO! If they HAD, what would crazy old Frank have done, hijacked it?) “No, sir, we don't,” says Sam. Both brothers have their hands raised in deference to the gun and Frank's apparent insanity. “My condolences on the doppelgangers,” says Frank, “who sent ya—NSA?--the Feed?--March of Dimes?”  “Bobby Singer sent us,” says Dean, lips trembling. Frank leaps to his feet, cocking his gun. “Or not,” says Dean quickly, “who?” “He said you could help us,” says Sam, “he said you owe him from Port Huron.” Frank finally drops the gun. “Guy saves your life ONE time and what—you owe him the rest of yours?” “That's usually how it works, yeah,” agrees Dean quickly. Frank raises the gun and points it at him again, then, pissed off at himself, drops it again. We see credit cards being shredded. Sam is watching himself and Dean shooting people on TV. Frank's blathering on about how he knows Bobby's into that “magic hooey” but the government's been cloning people for years, “I guess it was just your turn in the barrel.” “Actually,” begins Sam, but Dean stops him: “He's rollin'.” “Yours is being busy beavers,” says Frank, “you're number 2 on the Most Wanted List, quickest climb up the charts since Donna Summer. “So what do you think we should do?” asks Sam. “Cuba's nice this time of year,” suggests Frank. “We're not hiding,” insists Dean. “Is he always this stupid?” Frank asks Sam. “We gotta stick around and kick a coupla asses,” says Dean, “so we just need you to get us further off the grid, but keep us on the board.” Frank turns on the radio, some sappy elevator music. He says they have to get rid of all their old rock aliases, they're going to be Tom and John Smith from now on; no more plastic, cash only; change their phones on a very frequent, non-scheduled schedule basis;  stay out of view of the two hundred million cameras the government's got scattered around.” “Two hundred million?” repeats Dean. “Big Brother has many eyeballs,” warns Frank—-”you see a place that even LOOKS like it can afford security, you just ease on down the road.” To Sam's horror, he smashes his laptop—-but hands him another one. “Thank you,” says Sam uncertainly. “You owe me five grand, cash,” orders Frank. “WHAT?” asks Sam. “WHAT?” asks Dean. “Unless you want to go comparison shopping at the mall, Sweet Cheeks—-and say hi to the cops for me,” snarks Frank. “Now let's steal you up some new ID,” he says, pushing them against some white sheets hanging against the wall and taking pictures, “Mr. and Mr. Smith.” 

(Ed. note: This scene broke my heart. New aliases, and so bland for our handsome boys! No more rock aliases like we've come to know and love, their computers have been replaced, Tom and John SMITH?, everything that made them our beloved Winchester brothers hiding away was being buried. But the worst was yet to come!)

Bobby shoots bullets into Chet, but the only response he gets is “Whooo! Do it again! Come on, do it again! You're gonna touch me in the morning, then just walk away.” You still talkin'?” asks Bobby, in a very foul mood. “Aren't you sick of this yet?” asks Chet. “You bleed black snot, sure, you bleed, you can die,” insists Bobby. “Sure, sport, whatever you say,” says Chet, “try the acid again, why doncha?--poor sap, you're stumped.” “Give it a rest, mouthy,” advises Bobby. “How long do you think these chains are gonna hold when the spell wears off?” asks Chet-—"tick, tock, old man. I'm gonna really enjoy eating you—-right down to that hat (Ed. note: blasphemy!)—-and then I'm going to eat everyone you ever said hello to.” Deciding he's had enough, Bobby grabs a sword and decapitates Chet. “Hot damn, that's something,” says Bobby, when it appears to at least silence the too-chatty, too-bitchy Leviathan. 

Frank puts all the brothers' new ID's into a cigar box. “I marked all the towns your stunt doubles hit so you can see the pattern,” says Frank. “What is the pattern?” asks Sam. Frank has no clue, he can't see it. It seems random to Sam. “A little tip from a pro—there is no such thing as a random series of  murder-robberies by your evil twins. Have yourself some uppers and look at that some more. Good luck.” “Thanks,” says Sam. “For what?” asks Frank--”sending you to your deaths?--your doubles WANT to be on Candid Camera—-put YOU in the line of fire; now I'd lay low because I love life in its infinite mysteries, but if you want to be dumb, that's fine-—at least have the common sense to ditch your car.” (My heart just stopped! Not Dean's baby!) “Scuse me—-what?” demands Dean. “Your Double Mints—they're using a car just like the one outside,” says Frank. This stuns and pisses off the brothers. (Ed. note: Me, too. Aw shit!)

The newspaper headline in the USA TIMES WEEKLY reads “Killer Duo Still at Large.” Someone knocks at Bobby's door as he's unpacking groceries. He grabs a gun before opening up. Looking out the peephole, he sees his visitor is Sheriff Jody Mills. He puts down the gun and runs a quick hand through his beard to make himself look a bit more presentable before opening up. She's smiling very prettily at him. “What the hell are you doing here?” he asks. “You're all charm, Bobby,” she retorts. (I was thinking something a lot nastier, like what a shithead he is.) “So my therapist keeps tellin' me,” he says, “How'd you find me?” “I'm a cop, remember?” she asks. (You go, girl, get your man!) She holds up a six pack. “Gonna invite me in?” “You may not want me to,” he warns, “I got one of the bigmouths downstairs.” (Ed. note: So that's what they're calling them, huh?) “So I won't go downstairs,” she says simply. She's come to thank him, “considering they were fresh out of thanks for saving me from liver-eating surgeon cards at the store.” “Oh, that,” he says, “just doin' my job--which nobody pays me for.”  “Right,” she nods, “how you doin', Bobby?””I'm fine—every day's a gift,” he says. “Your HOUSE just burned down,” she reminds him. “As you can see,” he says, “I got a roof over me.” “Bobby! Let someone be nice to you for five minutes,” she chastises. (Oh, God, I loved this scene and the soft look in her eyes and obvious feelings for him on her face.) “Okay,” he shrugs, “but not too nice, I can't be goin' soft.” “Of course not,” she agrees, “you know, I can cook—ish.” She slips off her jacket. “Why don't you let me make you something, maybe put this new place of yours in some kind of order--come on, I owe you that much.”  “Okay,” he agrees, “thanks, Sheriff.” “Jody,” she corrects. Ed. note: Squee!)

Bobby returns to the basement, where he finds his prisoner's head  has reattached itself to his body. There's a lot of black goo on his basement floor. “Did you think it would be that easy?” asks Chet. “No, but it's a start,” says Bobby, beheading him again. 

Sam and Dean are driving along in a new car. (I can't discern the make or model, nor did I try too hard. I didn't want to be disloyal to Baby..) A unicorn hangs from the rear-view mirror. It makes the sound of a crying baby when Dean squeezes it, and he angrily cuts it off and tosses it into the backseat. “You OK?” asks Sam. “It's bad enough they're ganking people in our mugs,” grumbles Dean, “but now this? Driving around in this caboodle while Baby's on lock-down!” “It's temporary,” Sam reminds him.” “Nobody puts Baby in a corner,” insists Dean. “You know what that's a line from,” says Sam. “Swayze movie,” says Dean, “Swayze always gets a pass.” “Right,” says Sam, “you want some tunes or something?” Sam turns on the radio which is playing appropriately, “I'm All Outta Love” by Air Supply.” Dean urges him to just leave it, and, moments later, Sam's upset to see his rock-loving brother lip-synching--and crying--to the sappy song! Realizing he's been caught, Dean turns his eyes away. Oh, Baby, your Dean misses you so much! But Dean can't help himself; he sings along again, silently, so sad. Sam finally turns off the song.

(Ed. note: This was very hard to watch. If anything is a touchstone on SUPERNATURAL, for both Sam and Dean--and US, the audience--it's that 1967 Impala. That they would have to give it up for ANY length of time is horrific. I was crying, too, I confess!)

Looking at a map, Sam gets a vivid memory flashback to Jericho and the Woman in White, then Black Water Ridge and the Wendigo, Manitoc and the kid drowning in the lake—-all towns they worked jobs in, in order, from the day Sam left Stanford. The pattern the Leviathans appear to be following would mean their next target would be in St. Louis. “Perfect, Connor's Diner,” crows Dean, “best burgers in St. Louis, I deserve something good in my life right now!”

Sam and Dean's clones (now known as SC and DC) are making fun of their human counterparts as they sit at Connor's Diner. 

DC:  You know, he has one of these every day. In his heart, he thinks they're almost as good as sex. He tosses it down on the plate. THIS is disgusting.
SC:  (Pushing away his salad.)  Dead plants with creamy goo. It's like eating self- righteousness-—you tell me which is worse.
DC: Honestly, I can't stand the guy. Talk about a hero complex. He doesn't have relationships, he has applications for sainthood. Oh, and he thinks he's funny—thinks he's a damn comedian. 
SC: Who has two thumbs and a full blown bats in the belfry?  (Points to himself.) I'm serious. Nothing but Satanvision on the inside. How he's walking around in a jacket with attachable arms. . .beyond me. You know, I had a brother with this many issues once.
DC: Yeah?
SC: You know what I did? I ate him.
DC: Of course you did.
SC: How are these guys even a threat?
DC: Boss says they gotta go, they gotta go. 
SC: Right. Idea. Wanna trade? I'll take Chuckles over Schizo.
DC: Looking himself over. Nah, I like this one's hair better. You can stay in the big one.

(LMAO!)

SC: All right. In that case, let's turn up the heat. The sooner I get out of this into something more stable, the better. 

They take out their guns. Hold it, says SD, turning to a young man seated at a table nearby. “Hey, kid, why don't you fire up the camera on that thing?” The kid scoffs at him. “Point it over here,” orders Dean, pointing the gun at him. The frightened kid lifts up his camera. “Shall we?” says DC. “All right, everybody be cool, this is a robbery!” shouts SC, aiming his gun at the ceiling. “Anybody move and I will execute every last one of you!” yells DC, standing on the counter.  

(Ed note: Are the brothers driving a GREMLIN?) Bobby reports that chopping off the heads slows down the Leviathans pretty good, until they juice back up, anyhow. That's something, I guess, says Sam, assuming we can even get close to them. I don't want you walking right up to them either, says Bobby, I'm still looking for something you can shoot at them. Behind him, Jody prepares a meal. Have a good time, urges Dean, thanking him. “You take mayo, right, Bobby?” asks Jody. Overhearing, Dean asks, “You got a chick over there?” “What? No,” answers Bobby, lying poorly. Exchanging a look with Sam, Dean asks, “Are you even working, Richard Gere?” “Shut up, ya idjit,” says Bobby as the brothers grin at each other--”where you off to next?” Sam tells him St. Louis, but Bobby informs him that they're too late-—pumpkin and honey-bunny'd a diner there. “Connor's Diner?” demands Dean. “Yeah, how'd you know?” asks Bobby. “Lucky guess,” says Dean, pissed off. “All right, so much for that,” says Sam, “I guess we're off to Ankeny Iowa. Call us if you get anything else.”

(Ed. note: If I didn't know the lift expectancy of women characters on this show tends to be very short, I'd root for Jody and Bobby to get together. They're so good as a couple, and she knows about all the evil stuff. They'd make a great team killing off the bad supernatural creatures and cuddling in bed together at night.) 

Agents Morris and Valente enter the blood-spattered crime scene at Connor's Diner. The Sheriff sits there, utterly in shock. He was first on-scene, unfortunately. He shows them the footage from the young man's camera, including SC coming in up close, yelling at him, “Hey hey hey, keep that up! I didn't say you could put that down! I want the whole world to know what Sam and Dean Winchester are capable of! “ He guns down some elderly folks at the next booth. “That all of 'em?” asks DC. “All but one,” replies SC and grins as he guns down the camera-guy, who's begging for his life. The two clones go in for close-ups.  DC salutes and says, “Well, good night St. Louis. You've been a wonderful crowd. Grab your socks and hoes, Iowa, 'cause we're headed to you next.” Sam winks evilly. The two race off to alert federal state and local law enforcement.

Comments  

rmoats8621
# rmoats8621 2011-10-30 16:54
Great recap!

I thought this episode was chock full of a lot of stuff, didn't you, and so many characters! Leviathan FBI, Jody, the Big Boss Leviathan, Sheriff man and his daughter who got killed and eaten, Chet—was it me or were there just a plethora of characters that seemed to create a pretty pivotal ep here?

I loved all the new characters. Frank was definitely a "hoot" in my book. Hopefully, we will see him again.

Do you think Sam's reaction to learning Dean killed Amy immature and typical? Running away? Or do you think he just needs some cooling off time and he'll be back soon?

I think Sam's reaction was understandable and he will be back after cooling off. After all, Dean was only trying to take care of things and look out for Sam as he always has done in the past.

What did you think of the thing between Crowley and the Big Bad Leviathan guy? He thinks Crowley is lower than dog poop. Any speculation as to why?

Since the Leviathans have downloaded all of Cas' thoughts and memories, then they know that Crowley will double cross them without a moments notice. He's not trustworthy and so why waste anytime on a relationship like that.

I LOVED the scenes with Bobby and Jody. What did you think? I've been rooting for them since she lost her husband and son. Am I crazy to think that they might have a life together someday?

I liked Bobby and Jody together. They make a great couple. However, how about adding Marcy to the mix and have Bobby be part of a love triangle. I think that would be great to watch.

Now that they have found a temporary way to deal with the Leviathans, do they need a new villain? Or have they pretty much solved their problems with this one? Of course, the Roman has plans for Sam and Dean still. When you think about it, why is it so hard to get rid of two mere mortals?

The bad guys have always underestimated the boys until now. The Leviathan seemed to think it was going to be easy, too, to get rid of them, but they are now finding out that is wrong. As for getting rid of the Leviathans, the borax/beheading is just one step in the process and I don't think they've stumbled upon the ultimate weapon, yet.

What did you think of the “All Out of Love” scene in the car? Sad? Embarrassing? Romantic? Want to rip out your eardrums every time you hear the song? I personally have always hated that damn song and Air Supply in general. (From Alice - I've always hated it until now. Just like Asia's "Heat of The Moment" now I can hear the song and laugh. I love it when the show ruins a bad song in a good way. Ditto for anything by the Jefferson Starship now.)

I laughed so hard during this scene that I was crying. I wonder how many takes it took...I image quite a bit of behind the scenes laughing going on. Jensen is such a great talent. I'd love to see him conquer a comedy someday. I know he'd be so good at it!

I think Chet is a really fun, cool character. What about you? Were you sorry to see him beheaded and tossed in the drink? Do you hope we'll see his head and body reunited someday?

I liked Chet. I would like to see him again. He was definitely a good adversary for Bobby and the boys.

What did you think of the clones' assessment of themselves? He doesn't have relationships, he has applications for sainthood. Is the preceding sentence TRUE about Dean? I never thought so!

Well, I think it's somewhat true. Dean does hold others up to high standards, but he holds himself up there as well. As for Sam, it was good to hear that not everything is going smoothly with him. I don't need to hear all the time that he's still having troubles with his time in Hell. However, I did like to know that it hasn't been swept under the rug by the writers, like everything was all well and good after such a short time.

Finally, I give this ep a 9 out of 10 score. What about you?

At first, I gave this a high 8 or a low 9. However, after seeing it again, it is a 9! This writer did his homework and was able to weave old episodes into this one. I loved the reference to blue steel when Dean was having his new photo taken by Frank. This episode was fun to watch! I'm looking forward to seeing what is in store this Friday and the next one after that! :D
percysowner
# percysowner 2011-10-30 17:16
This was a great recap for a great episode!

I thought this episode was chock full of a lot of stuff, didn't you, and so many characters! Leviathan FBI, Jody, the Big Boss Laviathan, Sheriff man and his daughter who got killed and eaten, Chet—was it me or were there just a plethora of characters that seemed to create a pretty pivotal ep here?

I liked all the characters. I think they worked to start the next part of the Leviathan story.

Do you think Sam's reaction to learning Dean killed Amy immature and typical? Running away? Or do you think he just needs some cooling off time and he'll be back soon?

Typical, yes a little. Immature, no. When Dean gets mad he strikes out, often physically. When Sam gets mad, he retreats until he finds his footing. This was a big thing, finding out that Dean doesn't trust him AT ALL, even when Dean said he did. Taking a step back and not being able to talk until he has processed this is mature, but then that is my coping mechanism IRL

What did you think of the thing between Crowley and the Big Bad Leviathan guy? He thinks Crowley is lower than dog poop. Any speculation as to why?

I really think it has a lot to do with inhabiting Castiel. Uriel expressed what seemed to be the basic angel position on demons, they are a stain on the earth. Castiel always intended to double cross Crowley, because he believed Crowley was so evil. Plus, the Purgatory natives are older than the angels or the demons, so I think they have a superiority complex. To them demons are fallen humans and humans are already below their notice, except for food.

I LOVED the scenes with Bobby and Jody. What did you think? I've been rooting for them since she lost her husband and son. Am I crazy to think that they might have a life together someday?

I would love for them to get together. First I would like one strong female character to actually survive and keep on surviving in the Supernatural universe. Second, I think Bobby and Jodie are cute as buttons together

Now that they have found a temporary way to deal with the Leviathans, do they need a new villain? Or have they pretty much solved their problems with this one? Of course, the Roman has plans for Sam and Dean still. When you think about it, why is it so hard to get rid of two mere mortals?

I don't think they need a new BIG villain yet. The Leviathans are infiltrating all levels of human life. They still can't be killed, only slowed down. However this gives the boys enough of an edge that they can hunt things other than Leviathans and maybe rack up some wins against their usual targets.

What did you think of the “All Out of Love” scene in the car? Sad? Embarrassing? Romantic? Want to rip out your eardrums every time you hear the song? I personally have always hated that damn song and Air Supply in general. (From Alice - I've always hated it until now. Just like Asia's "Heat of The Moment" now I can hear the song and laugh. I love it when the show ruins a bad song in a good way. Ditto for anything by the Jefferson Starship now.)

I thought the All out of Love scene was hysterically funny. A truly great Supernatural moment.

I think Chet is a really fun, cool character. What about you? Were you sorry to see him beheaded and tossed in the drink? Do you hope we'll see his head and body reunited someday?

I enjoyed Chet a lot. As much as I enjoyed him, if his head and body reunite the we are back to square one on being unable to stop the Leviathans at all, so I'm good with him permanently out of the picture.

What did you think of the clones' assessment of themselves? He doesn't have relationships, he has applications for sainthood. Is the preceding sentence TRUE about Dean? I never thought so!

I think it may be true, just a part that Dean keeps hidden most of the time. Whether it was true or not, it was funny.

Finally, I give this ep a 9 out of 10 score. What about you?

It was a 9 for me too. If they had not ended on Sam walking away it would have been a 10.

A couple of notes. I'm pretty sure DC was actually trying to change $100 bill. Most banks will change small amounts like $20s for anyone. It's the big bills that cause problems.

I also think the FBI agents said "Must have flown" instead of "Bust a flow" when they found out the Winchesters had been spotted 1000 miles away. It doesn't explain the Impala, but it does account for the boy being so far apart so quickly.

Thanks for a great review. I always enjoy your viewpoint on the episodes.
Alice
# Alice 2011-10-30 19:37
Crap, I usually catch transcription errors in the editing process. I missed that one! I've corrected for Robin. Thanks.
Alice
# Alice 2011-10-30 20:12
The car is a Pontiac Acadian, which was the Canadian version of the far more popular and shameful Chevrolet Chevette. The Chevette always makes the list for the worst cars ever made!
rmoats8621
# rmoats8621 2011-10-31 00:04
That is so funny! In the early 80's, I owned a Chevette and it was a 5 speed. I have such memories of that car! ;-)
Sylvie
# Sylvie 2011-10-31 08:46
No way, my aunt had one of those! Piece of crap car.
Bevie
# Bevie 2011-10-31 17:22
I had a Pontiac Acadian from 1988. Just got a new car 2 years ago. That car was so reliable and hardly cost me anything to run except for gas. My dog loved it. She hates my Toyota Yaris. It was second hand when I bought it too! Loved my Acadian!

Wss it supposed to be on the list for worst cars too? If so, I guess I got the one exception to the rule. :-* :P
Sylvie
# Sylvie 2011-11-01 08:20
You must have gotten the only one that didn't have problems. My aunt had so many issues with hers. I have a Toyota Yaris, don't have a dog though.
NanT
# NanT 2011-10-31 03:27
Thanks for the great recap!

I loved this ep up until the final scene, which really annoyed me. I’ll save my comments on that till the end of this, because I really did enjoy the rest of it, but I do want to express my disappointment with the ending, and hope I don’t anger anyone with my opinion.

So otherwise, my answers:
Were there just a plethora of characters that seemed to create a pretty pivotal ep here?
Well, we met the Head Big Bad, who I’m positive will show up again, and set battle lines with Crowley now probably on the Winchester's side. I’m hoping that Sheriff Jody will turn up again (and again!) and we'll probably see Bobby's paranoid friend again (though I'm not all that enthralled with him.)

What did you think of the thing between Crowley and the Big Bad Leviathan guy? He thinks Crowley is lower than dog poop. Any speculation as to why?
I agree with the other comments that he might have gotten his opinion from Cas (considering that's where he picked up his high opinion of the Winchesters.) And yes, the Leviathans definitely feel superior to everything. They consider humans merely food, so demons (who aren’t even edible unless they’re wearing meat-suits) would be even more useless, and Crowley, with his pretensions and self-importance , would be particularly annoying. I suppose, to them, demons are just wisps of black smoke who aren’t very smart and just out for their own warped pleasures—not working together to “subjugate the weak,” which might at least earn them a little respect.

LOVED the scenes with Bobby and Jody. What did you think? I've been rooting for them since she lost her husband and son. Am I crazy to think that they might have a life together someday?
I don’t know if Bobby and Jody can/will get together, but I’d really enjoy it. Though it’s fun to watch Bobby get so nervous and uncomfortable around her. I certainly hope they keep her alive!

Now that they have found a temporary way to deal with the Leviathans, do they need a new villain? Or have they pretty much solved their problems with this one? Of course, the Roman has plans for Sam and Dean still. When you think about it, why is it so hard to get rid of two mere mortals?
I don’t think they’re going to get a new Big Bad. This fix is only temporary, and the Leviathans are smarter than any villain they’ve ever faced, well-organized, and can change shapes instantly, so there’s no way of knowing who’s who, even minute by minute. There are plenty of opportunities for future stories there. And the reason it’s so hard to get rid of the Winchesters? Well, apart from the obvious (they’re the heroes! They can’t kill them off!) it may be the same reason they defeated the angels: they’re unpredictable (at least once they ditch the rock-star aliases.)

What did you think of the “All Out of Love” scene in the car? Sad? Embarrassing? Romantic? Want to rip out your eardrums every time you hear the song?
I thought that scene was pretty funny. Am I the only one who saw Dean glancing over at Sam and smiling to himself, like he was not only enjoying the song but loved the fact that Sam was worried about it?

I think Chet is a really fun, cool character. What about you? Were you sorry to see him beheaded and tossed in the drink? Do you hope we'll see his head and body reunited someday?
Chet was funny but kind of annoying. I think he may well be reconstituted, especially if the writers like him.

What did you think of the clones' assessment of themselves? He doesn't have relationships, he has applications for sainthood. Is the preceding sentence TRUE about Dean? I never thought so!
Since Dean never had a relationship with anyone other than Cassie and Lisa, I’d say no. Cassie dumped him long before any of his issues came up, and Lisa obviously worked with and around them, not just blindly accepted him. It was a funny line, though.

I tend to grade a little lower than most, so I’d give it 8.5. I would graded it higher if not for the final scene. So, for those who want to know my issues with it:

Do you think Sam's reaction to learning Dean killed Amy immature and typical? Running away? Or do you think he just needs some cooling off time and he'll be back soon?
Yes, I felt Sam was being both immature and typical of his younger self, but I’d hoped he’d matured enough by this time to stay instead of stomping off like a kid having a temper tantrum. Yes, it’s perfectly legitimate to be angry, and to tell Dean that he needs time to cool off and think things over, but grabbing his stuff out of the car and stalking off is not the way to do it, especially since he knows how upset Dean has been. He spent an entire episode worrying about Dean’s feelings of guilt, and the end of last episode trying to get Dean to talk to him, saying that he wanted to help and implying that he would forgive him for anything. And, of course, the reason Dean *didn’t* tell him is not because he didn’t trust him. It was because he believed it had to be done; because he wanted to spare Sam; and mostly (I think) because he was afraid Sam would react exactly the way he did: leaving him. Sam has also snuck out whenever he thought he had to do something that he knew Dean didn’t want him to do—all the way from Hunted to The Girl Next Door, (not counting the sneaking out with Ruby); though he’s usually a lot more blatant about it, which to me feels more like “I don’t want to argue with you,” rather than “I don’t want to hurt you.”

And Sam did have time to think things over: the feds said they’d died “last night,” and there was even more time before the fake fed came back to eat the sheriff, so I assume they had quite a few hours in the car, getting as far from Iowa as they could, before they stopped to dump the heads. I’d guess Sam was sitting and stewing the whole time once they were out of danger, so I can understand him wanting to get away for a while, but not the way he did it.

What I want is for someone (I’ll say Bobby) to give Sam a stern talking to, like the talk he gave Dean in Lucifer Rising. And yes, I know Sam will cool off and come back, but I want understanding and forgiveness, not another load of guilt to dump on Dean. I think, considering what Sam knows about his brother and all the talking he did the last two episodes, it’s time he started thinking about ways to help, not hurt, even if it means giving up his self-righteous (even if justified) anger.

So, I apologize to anyone who might be offended at my opinion. I was huffing at the final scene, and my sister looked over and said, "you know they're just characters in a TV show, right?" I guess I do get a little too worked up...
Ginger
# Ginger 2011-10-31 07:29
Agree with you on this one. Sam made this Amy issue into something all about himself. As I've said on other posts, "If you kill this monster, then this is what you think of me."

This whole Amy thing is just not interesting to me, so I just wanted to yell at the screen, "Boo hoo. Get over it, Princess."

I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one, and I think it's because it is a redo of choosing Ruby over Dean because Dean was too 'weak' after returning from Hell...except not quite as good or compelling as that one.
percysowner
# percysowner 2011-10-31 10:17
I thought Sam made his issues about a monster that killed her own mother to save his life and who hadn't killed in years and who had a child. I think Sam did make the leap that if he killed Amy he would have to kill the child because how was the kid supposed to survive on his own. Sam was ready to kill Amy until he saw her kid. He followed her for that very purpose.

I think Sam's repeated expressions of gratitude toward Dean about not killing Amy were because he knew that Dean had good reason to do so, but that Dean had relied on Sam's instincts to not kill her. Finding out not only that Dean had lied to him but also that Dean thinks he is too insane to be trusted on any level was devastating, especially because Sam has been holding on to the idea that Dean thinks Sam is sane enough to be trusted.
Sharon
# Sharon 2011-10-31 03:49
Dean was not the one dumped on here . Why does it always have to be about Dean What exactly would you of liked to see Sam do ? is it alright or Dean to punck Sam when he gets angry but not alright for Sam to deal with things his way I thought Sam acted mature and he acted the way he needed to . It is not about Dean but Sam . What do people think Sam is dealing with put Dean to one side and his issues what do people think Sam is dealing with?.
He had every right to do what he did and felt what he had to do wether some like that is up to them but it isnt going to change the fact Dean was the one wrong here not Sam.
bandofbrothers
# bandofbrothers 2011-10-31 08:44
Couldnt agree more. This wasnt about Dean it was about Sam, he was the injured party and had every right to be poissed at Dean and to walk away.

IMO what he did was far more mature than what Dean would have done. Slugging Dean and then brooding and being pissy about the issue only to throw it in Sam's face say 6 months down the line would have achieved nothing. Has it ever worked for Dean?

Sam walking was the best thing to do, he gets the time and space to cool off and think about it and the brothers don't just say things they may regret later.

The reason Dean didn't react to Sam leaving was because he knew he was in the wrong and he felt bad about it. This was actually something to feel guilty about.

The fact that so many Dean girls have said that Sam is making this all about him and overreacting just to make Dean feel guilty for something he shouldn't is really rather ridiculous especially since Dean was feeling guilty about it long before Sam ever knew anything about it.

And off course Sam is going to see the whole thing as a reflection of how Dean feels about/sees him. The whole 'I'm a freak' convo and LeviaDean's words especially would have reinforced that in Sam's mind. For him it's a matter of Dean not trusting him, seeing him as broken and crazy.

How exactly is he supposed to know that Dean killing Amy was more about Dean than Sam? Its not like Dean has exactly been forthcoming lately. Just because we the viewer can see it doesn't mean Sam can as we know from watching the show week in week out.

I hate that once again this matter is being made all about Dean by a small group of fans who believe he can do no wrong. News flash folks he did wring and he knows it. Sam is the wronged party here and to dump this all on him is just being petty.
bandofbrothers
# bandofbrothers 2011-10-31 08:46
sorry I meant pissed at Dean not poissed. I apologize for any mistakes but you guys really need an edit button.
Alice
# Alice 2011-10-31 10:11
We do have an edit button! Unfortunately, it's only available to people who log in. If you create an account and login before posting comments, you also don't have to type in the captcha letters at the end of the post either. There's real benefits to logging in.
bandofbrothers
# bandofbrothers 2011-10-31 15:56
thanks :-)
bandofbrothers
# bandofbrothers 2011-10-31 08:49
'Slugging Dean and then brooding and being pissy about the issue only to throw it in Dean's face say 6 months down the line would have achieved nothing'

sorry I just had to make this correction because otherwise what I wrote even had me confused.
NanT
# NanT 2011-10-31 11:39
I'm going to answer all the replies here in one place rather than individually, so sorry if I refer to other comments besides your own.

To me, this is not a "Deangirl vs Samgirl" thing unless you make it so. This is not "a small group of fans who believe Dean can do no wrong." This is a difference of opinion about actions and reactions in the way the characters are written.

I never said Sam didn't have the right to be angry. He does. I never said he shouldn't take time to cool off. I understand that that's Sam's way of dealing with things, and it can be a much more mature way of coping than anything Dean does.

I said (or at least intended) that he could have done it in a more mature manner than yelling and stalking off as if he was leaving forever instead of just for a cooldown period. He could have mentioned something sooner. He could have spoken more calmly. He could have waited till they got to a motel and then gone off for a walk, or taken a separate room--something that would let Dean know it wasn't permanent, because, sorry, "I can't even look at you" and "go on without me" and then walking off with all your worldly possessions wouldn't sound like "give me a little time and I'll come back when I'm calm" to someone with abandonment issues. Sam may not have the perspective on Dean that we have, but he supposedly has lived with his brother 24/7 for about 25 of his 29 years of life (minus the year in hell), and surely knows how he thinks and reacts, and did have time in the car to think about it.

Dean does feel guilty because he always feels guilty, especially when he hurts Sam, not because of what he did. All you who are so adamant that Dean was wrong in killing Amy should read some of the other forums. You're actually in the minority, at least in the ones I read. I started out being angry with Dean for reverting to "black and white" thinking about monsters, but came to agree that it was necessary from a hunter's point of view. I won't go into a discussion about that here-it's been beaten to death elsewhere.

But what you (and Sam) have to realize is that killing Amy was *not* about Sam, except in the aftermath. It was about the hunt, and Dean making the hard choice to do what he thought was right, despite what he knew Sam wanted, because he felt Sam was too close emotionally to be able to do it, just as he offered to kill Madison so that Sam wouldn't have to. Having a child makes her more sympathetic, but doesn't change the facts. Sam, as a hunter, should be able to recognize that, even if he doesn't agree.


I think Sam will come to accept that and come back. I just wish it could be without the teenage drama.
percysowner
# percysowner 2011-10-31 12:51
But what you (and Sam) have to realize is that killing Amy was *not* about Sam, except in the aftermath. It was about the hunt, and Dean making the hard choice to do what he thought was right, despite what he knew Sam wanted, because he felt Sam was too close emotionally to be able to do it, just as he offered to kill Madison so that Sam wouldn't have to. Having a child makes her more sympathetic, but doesn't change the facts. Sam, as a hunter, should be able to recognize that, even if he doesn't agree.

I did address this issue in my post. Since you didn't reply to this previous comments I will repeat my rebuttal of some of your post here.

I thought Sam made his issues about a monster that killed her own mother to save his life and who hadn't killed in years and who had a child. I think Sam did make the leap that if he killed Amy he would have to kill the child because how was the kid supposed to survive on his own. Sam was ready to kill Amy until he saw her kid. He followed her for that very purpose.

I think Sam's repeated expressions of gratitude toward Dean about not killing Amy were because he knew that Dean had good reason to do so, but that Dean had relied on Sam's instincts to not kill her. Finding out not only that Dean had lied to him but also that Dean thinks he is too insane to be trusted on any level was devastating, especially because Sam has been holding on to the idea that Dean thinks Sam is sane enough to be trusted.

Furthermore, I have read the refrain that since Dean's reaction to frustration is to hit Sam and that needs to be understood. If Dean gets to not change HIS method of coping, then calling Sam immature for keeping his coping method is unfair IMHO

I said (or at least intended) that he could have done it in a more mature manner than yelling and stalking off as if he was leaving forever instead of just for a cooldown period. He could have mentioned something sooner. He could have spoken more calmly. He could have waited till they got to a motel and then gone off for a walk, or taken a separate room--something that would let Dean know it wasn't permanent, because, sorry, "I can't even look at you" and "go on without me" and then walking off with all your worldly possessions wouldn't sound like "give me a little time and I'll come back when I'm calm" to someone with abandonment issues. Sam may not have the perspective on Dean that we have, but he supposedly has lived with his brother 24/7 for about 25 of his 29 years of life (minus the year in hell), and surely knows how he thinks and reacts, and did have time in the car to think about it.

But Sam did wait and try to calm down. He didn't immediately jump all over Dean. He waited and possibly would have continued to wait, but Dean wanted to talk about the situation NOW. When Sam presses Dean to talk about a situation Dean doesn't. Sam responded when asked.

I too don't want to turn this into a Dean girl Sam girl argument. It is hard to avoid when answering a post that calls Sam immature and engaging in teen aged drama while saying that Dean always feels guilty, even though he does nothing wrong and goes on to repeat why Dean was completely right in the situation and why Sam was totally wrong.

Sam and Dean are messed up people. They have both made huge mistakes. I can see both sides on the killing Amy story and I tend to side with Dean that it was a necessary act. I have always contended that hiding the truth from Sam was the big mistake and that by not trusting Sam to understand Dean's reasoning Dean was undermining the relationship. Both boys made mistakes. Both boys react to anger and frustration in nonproductive ways. Saying that Sam's coping mechanisms is wrong while supporting Dean's puts an impossible burden on the character of Sam.
NanT
# NanT 2011-10-31 14:42
*sigh* I did NOT say that Sam's coping mechanism is wrong. As I recall, I said it was much more mature than Dean's. It was the way he went about it this time that bothered me. He could have handled it better.

And I never ever defended Dean's ways of coping.

And I'm tired of being attacked about my opinions, especially when people are reading their own thoughts and anger into what I'm saying. You are entitled to think whatever you want, as am I.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy the show. The flaws are what make the characters interesting.
Alice
# Alice 2011-10-31 14:55
Okay, I'm declaring a truce here! NanT, you are right, your opinions are very much valued here and you are entitled to your opinion. I think tempers are flaring a bit here. So everyone in this thread, please simmer down.

Deep breath (in...out) and please resume a civil discussion. There are many great points here and that's what I love seeing, people expressing differing viewpoints. Remember one of our primary rules is be respectful to one another.

Another primary rule everyone, please don't put words into other people's mouths. Read carefully what they are saying. Don't accuse them of saying something that isn't there.

Thank you.
NanT
# NanT 2011-10-31 18:02
Thanks, Alice. I really enjoy your articles, but I think in the future, for the sake of my blood pressure, I'm going to stay far, far away from the comments section.
Alice
# Alice 2011-10-31 20:03
Sorry about that. I suggest you give it another try someday with something not so heated. Honest, we're pretty civil here.
Sharon
# Sharon 2011-10-31 12:52
Quote:
I'm going to answer all the replies here in one place rather than individually, so sorry if I refer to other comments besides your own.

To me, this is not a "Deangirl vs Samgirl" thing unless you make it so. This is not "a small group of fans who believe Dean can do no wrong." This is a difference of opinion about actions and reactions in the way the characters are written.

I never said Sam didn't have the right to be angry. He does. I never said he shouldn't take time to cool off. I understand that that's Sam's way of dealing with things, and it can be a much more mature way of coping than anything Dean does.

I said (or at least intended) that he could have done it in a more mature manner than yelling and stalking off as if he was leaving forever instead of just for a cooldown period. He could have mentioned something sooner. He could have spoken more calmly. He could have waited till they got to a motel and then gone off for a walk, or taken a separate room--something that would let Dean know it wasn't permanent, because, sorry, "I can't even look at you" and "go on without me" and then walking off with all your worldly possessions wouldn't sound like "give me a little time and I'll come back when I'm calm" to someone with abandonment issues. Sam may not have the perspective on Dean that we have, but he supposedly has lived with his brother 24/7 for about 25 of his 29 years of life (minus the year in hell), and surely knows how he thinks and reacts, and did have time in the car to think about it.

Dean does feel guilty because he always feels guilty, especially when he hurts Sam, not because of what he did. All you who are so adamant that Dean was wrong in killing Amy should read some of the other forums. You're actually in the minority, at least in the ones I read. I started out being angry with Dean for reverting to "black and white" thinking about monsters, but came to agree that it was necessary from a hunter's point of view. I won't go into a discussion about that here-it's been beaten to death elsewhere.

But what you (and Sam) have to realize is that killing Amy was *not* about Sam, except in the aftermath. It was about the hunt, and Dean making the hard choice to do what he thought was right, despite what he knew Sam wanted, because he felt Sam was too close emotionally to be able to do it, just as he offered to kill Madison so that Sam wouldn't have to. Having a child makes her more sympathetic, but doesn't change the facts. Sam, as a hunter, should be able to recognize that, even if he doesn't agree.


I think Sam will come to accept that and come back. I just wish it could be without the teenage drama.
Teenage drama is a narrow view and insulting to what Sam was feeling. Again putting on the onus on Sam rather than Dean. Re jecting Sams thoughts because it was not about Sam but the hunt. .Dean was wrong plain and simple it doesnt matter wether he did it for the hunt it is how Sam sees it whih is no less valid ..Sam asked Dean to trust him that trust is important seeing though Dean is Sams number one building block right now . Dean went behind Sams back and killed Amy . I am not going to get into the rights or wrongs of wether she desrved to die but it doesnt change the fact Sam believed Dean and believed Dean trusted him that is not the case. Again Sam was not wrong neither was he wrong in the way he reated .
Dreamer
# Dreamer 2011-10-31 19:17
Sharon, I agree in every way. To fandom in general, Sam is always wrong, no matter what he does. If he walks away because he's feeling hurt (and rightly so), he's self-centered and selfish. If he had chosen to punch Dean instead, Gold help us! Only Dean can do that, because it's Dean's way of doing things. I suppose he should just be a good and forgiving boy and forget everything, just like he did with all the Castiel crap. Maybe he should apply for sainthood.
Alice
# Alice 2011-10-31 20:01
Okay, now you're breaking some rules here. Our Sam vs. Dean policy here is like this, you cannot knock down one character to build up the other. You claim "the fandom in general" but that's not true here. We don't get into that kind of talk.

www.thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/news-and-announcements/64-rules.html
Dreamer
# Dreamer 2011-10-31 20:29
OK, I apologize. I'm aware I'm getting in dangerous ground and believe me, I hate the Sam vs Dean talk. But sometimes it's hard to keep quiet when one of the brothers is always right and the other is always wrong. It's unfair and frustrating, just that. But I'll say no more.
NanT
# NanT 2011-11-01 19:29
Please say no more. Because NEITHER of the brothers is "always right" or "always wrong." No one here (as far as I can see) has said that, and the show has DEFINITELY not shown that.

So it appears that you're being angry on Sam's behalf, as if there's only one way of looking at things, and one has to be right and the other wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, they're both wrong, for many reasons, and both right, because they're staying in character, even if you don't like it. So please don't attack someone who happens to say something you don't agree with. It's not personal. Don't make it so.
cd28
# cd28 2011-11-01 20:37
There's a certain humor to the absurdity of the argument that walking away from a fight rather than hitting someone is displaying "immaturity." Only in the SPN fandom. Sometimes it helps to focus on the humor.
Dreamer
# Dreamer 2011-11-01 21:08
Exactly. It's a funny argument so I'd better focus on the humor.
Bevie
# Bevie 2011-10-31 17:42
Just to let you know NanT, I agree with you in every way about this event.

I just wish the writers would quit with the obstacles that pull them apart.

Dean tries so hard to protect his brother and especially at this time to keep him from freaking, but Sam isn't always thinking about how his brother feels and is in my opinion a leetle self centred. It was just last season that Sam admitted that his running away had been wrong every time. :-?
NanT
# NanT 2011-11-01 19:42
Thanks, Bevie. It's good to see someone else with a different viewpoint here. And you're right--let's blame the writers!

I'd love to talk more about this, but apparently this isn't the place. *sigh*
Dreamer
# Dreamer 2011-10-31 09:54
I have to agree here. So it's fine for Dean to use his fists when he's angry, but not for Sam to walk away to calm down? Plus, he had every right to feel betrayed. Dean said to his face that he trusted him and then went behind his back and kiled Amy. I admit he had reasons for killing Amy, but he did betray Sam in a way. Sorry, but Sam is the wronged one here. I wonder if he had punched Dean instead. It would be the end of the world. Oh, how could he?
Sylvie
# Sylvie 2011-10-31 09:14
I thought this episode was chock full of a lot of stuff, didn't you, and so many characters! Leviathan FBI, Jody, the Big Boss Laviathan, Sheriff man and his daughter who got killed and eaten, Chet—was it me or were there just a plethora of characters that seemed to create a pretty pivotal ep here?

*I think they did a marvelous job in 42 minutes with so many characters. And we got 2 Deans & 2 Sams, what's not to love? Especially that LeviaDean winked.

Do you think Sam's reaction to learning Dean killed Amy immature and typical? Running away? Or do you think he just needs some cooling off time and he'll be back soon?

*I think this is what Sam does. He lets things stew and then he walks away. Personally I'm hoping he just walked away to think about a response and will come back to discuss this with Dean. He has been telling Dean that he is there for him, and walking away is not being there for him.

What did you think of the thing between Crowley and the Big Bad Leviathan guy? He thinks Crowley is lower than dog poop. Any speculation as to why?

*It was so nice to see someone(thing)? put Crowley in his place! I love the look on his face when he realized that the Leviathan will not be allying themselves with him. Back to the drawing board Crowley old chap!

I LOVED the scenes with Bobby and Jody. What did you think? I've been rooting for them since she lost her husband and son. Am I crazy to think that they might have a life together someday?

*I do like the thought of Jody with Bobby. She might actually be very good for him. She knows about what kind of life he leads after all. But women do not have a very good track record on this show. So, maybe they should just remain friends.

Now that they have found a temporary way to deal with the Leviathans, do they need a new villain? Or have they pretty much solved their problems with this one? Of course, the Roman has plans for Sam and Dean still. When you think about it, why is it so hard to get rid of two mere mortals?

*I think the Leviathan is the big bad for the season. And I think they are very good at it. Well organized, they know everything about our boys. They are realizing it's not so easy to get rid of the Winchesters after all. They have managed to best every baddy that's been thrown their way.

What did you think of the “All Out of Love” scene in the car? Sad? Embarrassing? Romantic? Want to rip out your eardrums every time you hear the song? I personally have always hated that damn song and Air Supply in general. (From Alice - I've always hated it until now. Just like Asia's "Heat of The Moment" now I can hear the song and laugh. I love it when the show ruins a bad song in a good way. Ditto for anything by the Jefferson Starship now.)

*I. Loved. It. I'm with Alice on this one. I haven't been able to get rid of the song since I heard it on Friday. Hated it in the 80s and I still hate it. And yes, I did see Dean's little smirk of satisfaction when he saw Sam's reaction. Too funny! Here's hoping we get more in the outtakes.

I think Chet is a really fun, cool character. What about you? Were you sorry to see him beheaded and tossed in the drink? Do you hope we'll see his head and body reunited someday?

*I did like Chet, but I get the feeling that's the last we'll see of him.

What did you think of the clones' assessment of themselves? He doesn't have relationships, he has applications for sainthood. Is the preceding sentence TRUE about Dean? I never thought so!

*It was interesting to get a little psychological assessement of what Sam & Dean are thinking. It's nice to know Sam is struggling with his images of Hell, he hides it well. And no, I don't think Dean can't deal with a relationship.

Finally, I give this ep a 9 out of 10 score. What about you?

*I would even say 10/10. That's how much I loved it. It's going to be one of those that I keep coming back to.
cd28
# cd28 2011-11-01 08:57
Do you think Sam's reaction to learning Dean killed Amy immature and typical? Running away? Or do you think he just needs some cooling off time and he'll be back soon?

I think Sam's reaction was human. I can't imagine that the first reaction of most spouses upon learning that their partner has betrayed them is to immediately confront their partner to have a cool, rational discussion on where things went wrong. The first reaction is to get some space. Let's not forget that when Dean found out about the demon blood, his first reaction wasn't to initiate a heart-to-heart discussion with his brother. He lied to Sam about being OK with things, tried to stop Sam from talking about it, and then tricked Sam into the panic room where he could further avoid talking to Sam.

I took the liberty of adding another question to balance this:

Do you think Dean's assumption in killing Amy, that he had the right to override Sam's judgment, and then lie to Sam, was self-righteous and shows a lack of the growth that he seemed to show in season 5 when he agreed to start treating Sam as an equal?

Yes, I do. Thanks for asking! Sam's point of view may have been affected by his condition and his history with the demon blood, but Dean was also currently affected by emotion - grief and depression - and alcohol. If you're a partner with someone (business or personal), you don't just jump on to a job/project they've been working on and override their decisions behind their back and then lie to them. That was the first mistake. Second was continuing to lie after Dean had had time to cool down and realize what he had done was wrong.

A less biased way of wording this question could have been, "How do you feel about the way the truth about Amy came out and about Sam's reaction? How do you think this will affect their relationship moving forward?"
Lily778
# Lily778 2012-04-27 01:20
It kind of annoys me when people comment on Sam behavior in the last scene saying that Sam was insensitive towards Dean. I do not think that what Dean have done was right ,but I fully understand the reasons for it. Nonetheless as was said in previous comments Sam has right to be angry at Dean for lying to him. He asked Dean whether he was okay on many occasions and wanted to be there for him when he was having a hard time. So he was concerned for Dean. And then he learns that he was lied to and that Dean did not trust him or his judgment at all (Lev!Dean’s comment about Dean thinking Sam’s nutballs) and people wish for him in that exact moment to be careful not to hurt Dean’s feelings? Really?
Spoilers: I really did not like Dean’s way of handling this whole situation in the next episode. And by that I mean Dean saying that Sam is being a bitch about this whole thing. Again I’m not saying that he hasn’t had reasons for doing what he did and even Sam understood that later. But couldn’t he at least try to talk to Sam and say something like: “hey, I’m not going to apologize for what I did coz I was right but sorry for lying/that you lost a friend. Can you understand I did it coz of this and that?”. I agree with one of earlier comment that it undermines character development from season 5 about them being equals.