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Supernatural's episode “The Purge” is packed full of messages. There is subtext about the brothers, about family, about monsters and humanity, and even about weight loss and self-image. All of our original reviews detected many of these messages on the first watch. They are worth revisiting, however, because even though the parallels to the brothers’ situation were obvious, we didn’t at the time know how everything was going to end up. There was a lot of speculation and trepidation and maybe even some misinterpretation, but mostly I remember us as having been close to right. Here is the link to our episode guide where you can check up on the original predictions and interpretations from your favorite writers!

Nightsky

Overall

There is no denying that the highlight of “The Purge” is the eye candy of Sam in Yoga gear and a running suit. We really have to thank Eric and Nicole (maybe this was Nicole’s idea?) for getting Sam out of those hateful plaid, long-sleeve, hunting shirts. Second up on my list of greats in this episode is the laudable performance by Brianna Buckmaster as Sheriff Donna Hanscum (where do they come up with these surnames? I not going to make fun of it, though, in case it is one of the writer’s best friends or an in-law). Brianna was truly convincing and empathetic, telling us her story with the Minnesota colloquialisms that could have gone very badly very quickly if not done well.

Given all that, though, there is also no denying that the most memorable part of this episode was the conversation (or lack there-of) between Sam and Dean back at the bunker. In my opinion, its impact overshadows everything else. Sure, the first time we saw this story we took our time exploring all the possible implications of the sibling trying to control a brother gone wild, but we now know how that all ends. We wondered if there was something significant to the fact that Dean wasn’t sleeping well, and why Dean was so anxious to kill (we know that now too). I am no longer intellectually challenged by figuring out that puzzle. That leaves me with nothing but that gut-wrenching fight between the brothers. To me, this was the low point of the season. In fact, it ranks together with Sam not explaining himself clearly and sympathetically when he didn’t look for Dean (season 8) as the two lowest points of the series for me. I hate when the bond between the brothers is broken, but I fervidly detest when they don’t talk about it and when we don’t hear what they are truly feeling.

We have certainly done our best to analyze for ourselves how much Sam and Dean were hurting, why they were lashing out at each other in their insecurity, and a boundless number of other family counseling issues. This time around, though, I was personally struck by how much Sam sounded like a young adult finally pulling away from a loving, strong, protective parent. At this developmental stage, many young adults actually love their families, but in order to establish their own identities separate from their “parents”, they say hurtful, painful things to pull out of the symbiotic relationship. They don’t feel love at all, they feel resentment at the perceived interference with them being themselves. Of course in Sam’s case, the metaphor was very real.

These prior dependents are quite capable of living on their own (many have already) but they haven’t come to terms with how that independence relates to their life-long security and emotional reliance on the loving caregiver. They are not children by any means, but they have not yet established themselves as equals to the parent...and they think they should be considered as such. They also think they see things so clearly.  The parents have obviously done everything wrong, are selfish and over-protective. The guardian doesn’t understand them, and never has. The emerging adult see things clearer than ever before, and the parent is accused of being stupidly clueless and emotionally damaging.  There is often a kernel of truth in the accusations, but there is no forgiveness nor acknowledgement that the caregiver always did what they thought was best for their ward.

That final scene has all the markings of Sam emotionally separating himself from his idolization of his big brother and caregiver. Sam has been to Hell and back and is perfectly capable of taking care of himself, but this time he needs Dean to accept him as an equal, not a protégée. Sam, on the other hand, needs to gain the emotional maturity to express himself clearly and not lash out in confused pain. Both boys need to grow to that next level of parent with an adult child, whom they can neither protect anymore nor save. Dean got to this point in “Swan Song”, but regressed (thankfully) when he couldn’t, or wouldn’t, accept Sam’s banishment to Hell. The season 9 finale showed us the moment when the young adult, i.e. Sam, realized that, darn it all, he really does love the “parent” despite trying so hard to vilify, or using another word, demonize, his caregiver. When faced with actually losing the person he thought was selfish and he expressly told he didn't want to be brothers with anymore, Sam saw Dean as an actual demon versus the imagined demon that Sam resented so much, and Sam forgave Dean, and accepted that we all just do the best we can do in any given moment…even Dean for better or for worse.  Sam remembered his love for Dean.

The jury is still out as to whether Dean can ever change and see Sam as an equal. According to Jeremy Carver’s teasers over a year ago, that is where this is all going. I can’t say I care much for the journey, though, but in real life the journey isn’t any picnic either. So once again, Supernatural reflects our own lives back to us.

Random Thoughts

I tweeted that Dean didn’t yet know that he wouldn't sleep again for a long, LONG time. That observation made a number of people rather emotional about Dean’s plight.

I missed the weight being used to knock out that poor bride-to-be, but what on earth was she doing alone, in the dark, in a deserted gym, with head phones on? I mean, Come ON!

I LOVE when the boys have the exact same body language.

Speaking of wardrobe, I really liked Sam’s yellow and blue shirt (worn in the job interview). Maybe script notes said, “Have Sam wear something appealing for a change, like nice shirts, or better yet, skimpy shirts).

As far as I am concerned, this will forever go done as the grossest monster ever. I simply cannot watch, and the mental image creeps me out so MUCH!

Gerry Weaver

Well, this one still hurts. Even in light of the finale, it’s not an enjoyable episode to watch. The problem is not that it’s unbelievable either Sam or Dean could act or say what they do. It’s that there was no follow up to show Sam’s head space until the finale, and that was way too late. It’s a shame, because it would not have been difficult to show Sam’s emotions.

The emotions are pretty clearly on display in the opening brother scene. Sam pokes at Dean, asking him if he’s drinking because of Sam’s declaration they can be partners, but not brothers. Dean huffs back that Sam shouldn’t flatter himself. The scene is set for a good blow out, but instead of getting angry, Dean walks away.

He is angry, of course, and he passive aggressively swipes at Sam later in the episode, when he tells his brother he’s awkward with girls, and hey, Dean’s just telling the truth. But on rewatch, the moments of disconnection are balanced with brotherly moments Sam falls into naturally.

From Sam’s little gesture to let Dean know he’s covered in sugar to racing to Dean’s rescue when he’s succumbed to roofie pudding, Sam’s bond with Dean is threaded throughout the story. And that makes it even more heartbreaking when Dean finally opens to up Sam, only to say exactly the words guaranteed to make Sam hurt and angry all over again.

Dean’s opening statements about saving Sam have his brother’s attention. He’s not agreeing, but he’s listening. He’s been trying to provoke Dean into having this conversation since the beginning of the episode. But as soon as Dean utters the fateful words, “I’d do it again,” he’s lost Sam. Sam wants to talk – or shout—their feelings out, but “I’d do it again” is not what he wants to hear. He needs an acknowledgement of the invasiveness of possession, the lack of consent and agency.

A hurt Sam is an angry Sam , and he hurls some very hurtful accusations at his brother. Sam knows what buttons to push for Dean. He aims at Dean’s sense of self-worth, telling him he only sacrifices when someone else pays the price. There’s enough truth mixed in with some angry distortion that Dean accepts the words as spoken – and it doesn’t help that Sam is the one this time to walk away.

It’s not surprising neither guy finds this fight easy to analyze. Their respective positions are rooted in their childhood, as most of our deep seated emotions are. Dean’s brotherly relationship with Sam has strong parental overtones, because John slid his parenting responsibilities on to Dean’s young shoulders. And that means the idea of surviving Sam feels unnatural to Dean. He’ll never be OK with Sam telling him he’s ready to die.

That quasi-parental relationship means Sam in turn both looks up to Dean and has a measure of adolescent resentment toward a parental figure. He rebelled against John when he was a teenager and was able to finally connect with his dad before he died.

But rebelling against Dean has always been very difficult, because the two of them had to have each other’s backs to survive the forces against them. Sam’s decision to try in season four backfired on him big time.  I think Sam still feels a need to establish his separate identity by pushing Dean away, while at the same time needing to know Dean is still there for him, because Dean is his first stone. He feels safe enough to fight with Dean because Dean has always made him his priority. Even though Sam and Dean’s relationship was seriously strained in season five, the upshot was Dean refusing to leave Sam.

I think in “The Purge” Sam can sense Dean is somehow slipping away and that’s why he reacts so emotionally when Dean is in danger. We’ll see him react this way several times in later episodes. However, the two cannot get past their respective triggers to really communicate.

If later episodes had peeled away those defensive layers so we got a look at the emotions underneath those hurtful words in “The Purge”, I’d have a better feel for this emotional arc. You don’t go to the places” The Purge” went and then just leave those words hanging. There needed to be development throughout the rest of the season, not just in the finale.

So, yeah. This one still doesn’t sit well, even in light of the season as a whole.

What I liked:

·         Sam in yoga gear, earnestly trying to whip those people into shape.

·         Dean in a hair net, scarfing down pudding.

·         The actress playing the sheriff and her moment of connection with Dean.

·         The parallel of the monstrous brother who can’t control himself with DemonDean to come.

Bookdal

This episode is controversial for a whole set of reasons, least among them the show's continuous obsession with non-normative bodies. On one level Supernatural is a fantasy space and nothing reiterates the unreality of this space more than the beauty of its two leads, Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki. Interestingly, that physical beauty is often juxtaposed against emotional or psychological monstrosity - while the monsters they hunt are mostly "malformed" physical creatures, most of the Winchester monstrosity comes from within, including the rather twisted relationship they have not only to each other but to their world. 

The theme of the episode aligns with a theme throughout the season, which is the increasing danger that one family member's desires pose to the unit of the family. In this case, the monstrous brother indulges his physical hunger at the expense of others' lives, which is a consistent theme throughout the series, in fact, stretching back to that far away season one episode, "Faith," and Sam's decision to save Dean and his lack of regret when he finds out what that salvation actually cost. In my reading, this season has tried very hard to confront that idea of unchecked appetite - the dialogue acknowledgment by Sam that a sibling, this time a sister, can be pushed far enough away to see the monstrosity of her brother or more importantly, the final scene where Sam confronts Dean, which he wanted to do in the very first scene of the episode. I think Sam wants to make the monstrosity real - to conjure it into the room and between them much like using a psychological quija board. However, just as Sam accuses Dean of being selfish in saving him, so Sam is selfish in wanting a confrontation that he knows his brother is not ready for. Sam uses his anger as a weapon and strikes out with cold and calculating precision in that final scene, and much like the monster of the episode, he sucks out the muscle from the bone of the brotherhood. We can all argue about their level of dependency but we can never not acknowledge that it is mutual and that mutual need to save can be turned monstrous and become a mutual need to destroy. So while Dean's selfishness, and yes it was a crime of consent, is real and tangible, Sam's need to punish emerges from a place of selfishness as well. 

I respect the episode but I feel that it was irresponsible in the way that all episodes under Carver have been so - by only allowing us bare glimpses of Sam's point of view. Viewers have to work at making these analyses and that is not only not fair to the character but in fact, bad writing and planning. 

Nate Winchester

Random Thoughts

I do like that there's a subtle lingering on the first suspect in the crowd at the start.

Ok, on first watch I thought it was impossible for the opening kill, but now I see that it was visible. My bad.

I'll admit it, the Stillwater police officer I find to be adorable.

Oh c'mon Dean, you know you would have been a competitive eater in another life.

With the weiner winner dead at the opening, shouldn't the 2nd place guy have gotten the trophy then? I mean when they found the body they should have found the smuggled hot dog. I'm offended by this eating scandal!

Man I can never find any pretty gypsies interested in "a little give". =(

Death #2, let's see if I'm wrong again...Yeah, we should have been able to see the perp in action as he killed in that scene. I did miss the weight clonk first time.

Yeah, given where the mark is on 2nd vic, I can't figure out the logistics of how that happened.

Seriously the idea of a monster turning their "handicap" into a business is just an idea I'm dying to see explored more.

One does wonder how these fat suckers survived in the past when humans were... slimmer.

Oh Dean... eating straight off the spoon you're using. That is NOT sanitary.

Awww, how can her husband leave that cutie? I'll comfort you sheriff!

Seriously can't you just imagine Americans hiring their own fat suckers? Eat what you want, feed the monster.  You could have a whole mail-order spouse/fat sucker service set up... it would be gold mine!

You know, maybe you should have grabbed the hunters and taken them to the brother. Would have solved a lot of things.  [You would have] had backup when the bro tried to kill you, let the hunters think they killed the monster & saved your wife. Stupid dude.

Shouldn't immigration be making sure that the people who enter our country are... people?

A story about someone making sure monsters don't enter the country could also be interesting. Oh wait, we called it #MiB.

What if monsters started teaming while eating? "U get the fat, I'll get the blood, Fluffy gets the heart, etc."

Man I love a close up action scene in the dark. #sarcasm 

I wonder how they deal with the bro's body? I mean that tongue of his is clearly NOT normal.

"I wouldn't." Uh... you HAVE done the same, Sam. Maybe acknowledge "I wouldn't again" but... gah I miss canon.

Overall

Ok, I’m going to be different and NOT talk about the boys and their final talk in this episode.  I’m still firm in my belief that the show doing the SAME plot and general story arc TWICE in a row was a huge mistake and they should have kept the Winchesters apart for these two.  Let “Sharp Teeth” be Dean learning the lesson from his perspective, and this one being Sam + Castiel learning.

However, this one does remind me a lot of the spirit of some of the old episodes in that the things we see come off as glimpses into a larger world.  Early episodes always left me wanting to explore the world of SPN more and this one reminded me of that sensation.  Like what if a hunter worked for immigration services and was trying to keep new monsters from entering the nation?  What if some of these refugee crises going on nowadays are people fleeing monster conquered lands?...or of nations trying to “clean out” monster infestations.  What if some companies looked into marketing monsters?  So much potential for so many possible stories.  Sure the episode on the whole may be mediocre or not great, but it had a lot of good seeds in it.

…and so I can’t hate it too much for that.

*** 

I had to end with Nate this week. Some of his observations are just too funny! We needed to lighten the mood just a bit! So what do you think? Where does this episode rank in your season’s top hits? Check out our full "Purge" photo gallery, to relive the best (and the worst) moments of the story (So pretty, then, ewww, just too gross!).

Comments  

cheryl42
# cheryl42 2014-07-23 15:18
My opinion of the little speech hasn't changed. I thought what Dean said was far worse than anything Sam said and was the whole catalyst for Sam saying anything at all. Should the writers have gone that far? That is a question that can either plague me or I can just chalk it up to awkward out of character dialogue for both characters. I'm going to point out one case where I thought that Dean went much farther than Sam in an earlier season. Metamorphosis, Dean having just found out that Azazel had infected a tiny innocent Sam with demon blood, that Sam's mother had sold him out, pretty much told Sam that he would hunt him down and kill him for using psychic powers to save an innocent man. This was after slugging him twice without listening to any explanation. The difference in this earlier episode was even though the issue wasn't resolved (and honestly Dean was all over the map with Sam's powers and Ruby) the brothers came to a small understanding. In the Purge the conversation ended with no resolution until the end of the season. That to me was the biggest problem with Sam expressing how angry he was. That and never going back to what the possession did to Sam until the end of the season. Having said that throughout the entire episode and in the future episodes you would have never known anything was different between them with the exception of a sentence or two here and there. They certainly had each others backs and called each other brother more than once. Other than that it was a fun little episode with a creepy if beneficial monster, a roofied Dean and Sam in a tank top and shorts.
Sharon
# Sharon 2014-07-23 15:43
The infamous Purge where Sam showed more than his biceps . My mind has not changed on Sam's speech and nobody can cast the first stone , what is a pity is that Sam never got the storytelling he should of got to such a extent that harsh words are seen as worse than non-consent possession. The Purge is like Marmite you either love it or hate it .
JuliaG
# JuliaG 2014-07-23 16:40
Dean's claim that he'd have Sam possessed again was a huge catalyst for Sam's anger and hurtful words, and it's nice to see it being acknowledged in the reviews this time., especially Gerry's. I found the newer comments much more balanced than the original reviews, and more enjoyable to read.
njspnfan
# njspnfan 2014-07-23 17:39
I liked The Purge as a MOTW episode; a different type of monster that found a rather unique business niche. The foreshadowing/p arallels between the siblings was a little heavy handed, as was the constant display of Sam's concern for Dean, but it served its purpose and I was okay with this. I loved the sheriff; the writers seem to do good job of character development with women sheriffs - well, at least two of them. I wasn't upset with Sam's harsh response to Dean's shocking declaration that he would do the same thing all over again; like JuliaG, was happy to see some of the reviewers acknowledge it on the rewatch. Setting aside the loss of agency, if Dean would do the same thing all over again, was he okay with Kevin dying because, to Sam, there is a direct correlation between Sam being alive and Kevin being dead.

As far as the not-likes, this is the part of the season where the brother's conflict, while not contrived, becomes somewhat unnatural in its progression. Part of that is the very limited POV for Sam, and some of his cryptic statements that could be, and are, interpreted in different ways. I realize it was designed to lead up to Dean taking on the Mark of Cain and ultimately becoming a demon, I just think there could have been a more natural/logical progression, even with dragging it out over the second half of the season.

As always, the #wfbrewatch on Twitter was a lot of fun; lots of insightful comments from the reviewers, too.
cheryl42
# cheryl42 2014-07-23 18:05
Did you mean that the conversation led up to Dean taking on the MOC? Because he took it on in RT after leaving Sam on the bridge. Sam had nothing to do with that, in fact the most profound statement from any character in the season was from Cain when Dean was chastising Cain for killing his brother. Cain asked Dean "where is your brother now" in other words if you had stuck with Sam Dean you wouldn't be a demon right now. When will they ever learn they are just better together than apart.
njspnfan
# njspnfan 2014-07-23 18:06
No, I realize he had already taken on the Mark of Cain, was just referring to the progression of Dean's arc, taking on the Mark of Cain which ultimately lead to him become a demon. This was just another step along the way.
cheryl42
# cheryl42 2014-07-23 18:16
Sorry I misunderstood. I agree it did send Dean further into a tailspin.
nappi815
# nappi815 2014-07-23 21:21
i know i'm in the minority, but I loved this episode and I loved the honesty between the brothers. Sam was delicious eye candy as well as being really conflicted about his feelings with dean. It was obvious that Sam was baiting dean so that they can talk and I agree with Gerry, it was the words "i'd do it again that was more than sam could emotionally take.

the crux of this conversation was sam's belief that saving him resulted in nothing good. they had Crowley locked up and because of sam Crowley is now out and about wreaking havoc, the angel are still in the outfield, though that's not really on sam or dean and most importantly kevin is dead. so from sam's pov had dean just allowed sam to go, as he was ready and had accepted it, then none of these bad things would've happened. this is sam's mindset during this conversation. so when he asks dean what the upside to him being alive is, dean's response is all about the way dean thinks things should be, him and sam fighting to save the world. dean's answer had nothing to do with sam himself. sam can't see past his own hurt and cannot fathom why he should be alive when kevin is dead and according to dean, sam's purpose is to fight the good fight with him. so now as sam is seeing it....dean saved sam so they could fight demons together. kevin is dead because dean wanted someone to hunt with. this upsets sam to the point that he flat out tells dean to be honest and admit that the only reason sam is alive is so dean won't be alone. now here's what's important that I don't know if anyone noticed, dean didn't deny what sam said. he didn't say," that isn't true. I saved you because you matter and not just to me." no dean changed the subject telling sam that if the situation was reversed and he were dying sam would do the same thing. he didn't say you would've saved me too...no the words chosen were pretty specific....do the same thing. now sam is reeling from the conversation. dean hasn't said anything to make sam believe that by all rights he should just have stayed gone. so sam's no dean same circumstances I wouldn't is referring back to the beginning of the conversation and all the negative results that happened because sam is alive and the way sam feels now, he wouldn't put that on his brother. I still believe that had dean been in a similar situation, sam being the different person that he is, with different experiences to influence his decisions, he would not have done the same thing...he most likely would've done something else dean wouldn't have liked to save him, but not that.;) I did like that sam posed the question to dean that he only saved sam because he can't stand the thought of being alone. while that's not the only reason, it is in fact true. I think dean needs to really come to terms with this, because it's this need in dean, that has, in fact driven dean to go to supernatural extremes, in which he has messed with the natural order. death has warned dean about this, he even had dean experience what it was like to be death...though it seemed as though dean understood, he in fact hasn't and still for lack of a better term, plays God . I just think this is a problem that dean needs to address and I hope that this conversation has dean thinking about that. ;)

so there are two different perspectives going on in this conversation. sam is talking about not doing the same thing dean did to keep him alive. dean is thinking that sam wouldn't do anything to keep him alive.

sam said something that came out not in the context that he intended due to his frustration and pain. (s8 dean southern comfort ringing any bells?) but he clearly recognized this based on his actions. ( like dean did in the second half of s8) sam showed concern/love for dean and feared for him. while he might not have been able to be close to him on an emotional level, as he was still so upset and now we all know why, he was still there for dean when he needed him. it's not easy to just forget killing someone. I mean come on, don't' policemen have to visit the shrink when they make a kill, especially if it was an innocent bystander. it wouldn't have been realistic for sam to just bounce back as though nothing happened and I thought the story played out just fine in that regard.

I liked the sheriff and thought she was a nice touch of levity. I thought the conversation between sam and dean was a very important one and a necessary one. although it may not seem like it, I still think that some of what was talked about in this conversation will be revisited again in s10, but in a more, oh...now I get it perspective from both the boys. ;)
dellamirandola
# dellamirandola 2014-07-24 13:58
I really like Nightsky's reading of Sam's outburst - it reminds me of one of my favourite Oscar Wilde quotations: 'We begin by loving our parents. Then we understand them. Rarely, if ever, do we forgive them.' I think that's what makes me frustrated with Sam - it seems as though he thinks that it's enough to be mature to have the full understanding of someone else. But to me he won't really achieve that grown-up independence until he can deal with Dean the way he really is - to forgive him, as Wilde says.

Putting Bookdal and Nate's readings side by side is illuminating too:
Quote:
'I respect the episode but I feel that it was irresponsible in the way that all episodes under Carver have been so - by only allowing us bare glimpses of Sam's point of view. Viewers have to work at making these analyses and that is not only not fair to the character but in fact, bad writing and planning.'
Quote:
'I’m still firm in my belief that the show doing the SAME plot and general story arc TWICE in a row was a huge mistake and they should have kept the Winchesters apart for these two.'


Maybe the flaw of series 9 is that there wasn't enough of a handle on progressing the plot and instead what the second half gave us was all the different writers giving us their slightly different takes on the brotherly feud? So instead of each conversation developing the relationship and the characters' takes on it, first we get Andrew Dabb's idea of a Sam/Dean confrontation, then Adam Glass's, then Robert Berens', then Charmelo-Snyder , then Jenny Klein's, etc etc? I may have the order wrong but you see what I mean. That would explain why it has been such a frustrating thing for people to experience - we're not watching different arguments, we're watching the same conversation over and over again through different eyes - the writer who shows it as one brother walking away, the writer who shows it as a door-slamming row, the writer who shows it as a spew of violent words, and so on.
Jo1027
# Jo1027 2014-07-24 15:29
"I think that's what makes me frustrated with Sam - it seems as though he thinks that it's enough to be mature to have the full understanding of someone else. But to me he won't really achieve that grown-up independence until he can deal with Dean the way he really is"

Why is it on Sam to understand Dean but not on Dean to understand Sam? I don't get why everyone thinks Sam isn't entitled to feel how he feels and should just suck it up and shut up. Dean is the one in the wrong here and he needs to acknowledge that. He won't ever grow if he doesn't.
njspnfan
# njspnfan 2014-07-24 18:42
I agree with you, Jo1027. Nobody knows Dean better than Sam but, to put it mildly, their relationship is "complicated".
nappi815
# nappi815 2014-07-24 20:53
i agree as well. it's what got dean into this mess in the first place isn't it.

in regards to maturity, the way I see it, sam has matured a great deal since the pilot. Sam has made mistakes, but he's learned from these mistakes, as well as dean's and john's and has done pretty well in not repeating them. I'm afraid I cannot say the same for Dean. Dean keeps making the same mistakes over and over despite the dire consequences that have resulted from them. Death has even given dean the opportunity to do his job in order that dean understand that messing with the natural order has consequences. Yet, dean keeps making decisions that he thinks is right for other people. He plays at God all too often and it's finally bitten him in the ass. Dean has not matured in that respect. He sometimes reminds me of the spoiled child who always has to have things their way, regardless of what other people might think or how they feel. i'll use lisa and ben as an example. he had no right to take it upon himself to have their minds erased. It wasn't up to dean to decide how they should feel and what they should remember. it's just time for dean to understand that there are certain boundaries that he should not cross, just because he feels it's the right thing to do. this is a lesson that the spn universe has been trying to teach dean for some time now. I just hope that when he gets back to being a human, he finally learns this lesson and doesn't make the same mistakes in the future.

as for emotional maturity, well I think both Winchester boys need to stay after class, as they both need to work on that. when it comes to sam, dean needs to learn how to take responsibility for his actions, apologize for them , try not to do it again, at least make the effort and demonstrate that he understands how sam is feels about what's been done. dean has to stop indulging in self pity as a way to avoid facing the consequences of his actions. he needs to stop burying their problems and wishing them away. dean cannot skate through their relationship using "because we're family" as an excuse to justify his actions, especially when sometimes these actions hurt his brother and sometimes friends as well. as Charlie once told dean....."nut up Winchester."... . if you break it, then try to fix it or buy a new one, but don't just sweep it under the rug in hopes that no one will notice...it doesn't work.

don't worry, i'm getting to sam...sam needs to stop taking crap from everyone and not just dean. he needs to speak up and tell people to shut the hell up. did anyone else get annoyed when bobby just started ragging on sam in taxi driver, without any idea as to what happened and sam just took it...I wanted to throw a rock thru my tv...I kept screaming at sam to just tell bobby to stick a sock in it. sam has to stop keeping everything bottled up inside of him. it's no good. in this respect he is so opposite of dean. dean feels insulted, believe me he'll harp on it and let you know. sam feels hurt ...he just incorporates it into his own belief that he's not worth a hill of beans and all he does is fail and disappoint, heck to the point where he's ready to die instead of disappointing his brother. if sam would just tell dean to blow it out his ass once in awhile, I think it would be better off for both of them and in the long run much healthier. keeping all that pain bottled up, keeping what's truly going on all to himself, all it does is prolong the agony, both his and dean's .....let it go.....kevin said it and I don't think he meant to drop the subject and forget everything...I think what kevin meant by let it go.....is to freaking just talk about it already....say what you're feeling....let it out....yell, punch, but get it out of your system, ......whether dean is ready or not.....just let the floodgate open and have yourself a good old fashioned deluge....becau se in the end it would've been best for both of them. so i'm hoping that after sam saves dean, sam will be more open about his feelings to his brother...flat out tell him what he feels, what he needs from dean....and just maybe dean will be able to give it to him....or at the very most make the effort, which is all I think sam really wants.
nightsky
# nightsky 2014-07-24 21:44
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don't worry, i'm getting to sam
LOL. Thank you! :D
nappi815
# nappi815 2014-07-24 22:20
I do love them both. I know they both have to work on their flaws....they just really need to be honest with ea. other ....I think they are both afraid to be emotionally honest with ea. other....I hope that changes this season and they realize that nothing they can say to ea. other out of hurt or anger will ever change how much they love ea other or break that bond they share. ;)
cheryl42
# cheryl42 2014-07-25 20:27
In my re-watch of the series I seem to see that the pattern for these two is that everytime they are separated one of them ends up dead or in Purgatory or you know a demon. The moral to the story seems to be don't get separated. :P
nightsky
# nightsky 2014-07-24 21:41
Thank you for the compliment. I so love these boys but they were both throwing tantrums the second half of this year...now that I think of it, they've thrown a lot of tantrums over the years!;)
I also am a big fan of Jeremy Carver, but I have to acknowledge the criticism that he gives his writers a GREAT deal of autonomy. I don't presume to know enough to second-guess screen the writing process, but there is no doubt that emotional plot lines had an inconsistent or non-existent pace. The storyline was attended to, but the emotional developments, the thing the many of us watch the show for, was not satisfying week to week. We would get BIG hits, then did-that-really -happen-last-we ek confusion. Jeremy is so talented - I wish he would be more hands-on with developing his writing staff, or at least insisting on a few standard minutes each week (e.g. talks in the Impala), for our sanity.
sh4your
# sh4your 2016-01-27 13:32
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