TV Fanatic Roundtable: Supernatural 11.06 “Our Little World”
I’m just going to throw this out there right now. What do you think the show should be doing with Crowley? This whole idea of him being the bored leader of a bureaucratic society of demons, laying low in a dingy Earth hideout because he hates hanging out in Hell (isn’t he their King?), has been dominating his plot the past few seasons and shouldn’t have carried out this long. It got boring after three episodes. Why is it still going? Well, that’s my take anyway. That’s just one of the discussions we took up on this week’s TV Fanatic Roundtable.
What else did myself, Nightsky and TV Fanatic’s Sean McKenna and Christine Laskodi talk about? We had a few things to say about Amara being God’s sister, speculated if God will appear (how can he not?), and what exactly does the cage have to do with the fight against the Darkness. It’s all at the link below:
http://www.tvfanatic.com/2015/11/supernatural-round-table-sister-act/
Also, here’s Sean McKenna’s review at TV Fanatic. He gives “Our Little World” a 4.5 out of 5.0.
http://www.tvfanatic.com/2015/11/supernatural-season-11-episode-6-review-our-little-world/
Interesting read so many different points of view. If Dean doesn’t have a soul and his faking it Wouldn’t Crowley know, He picked up on Jenna quickly or maybe he knows and keeps it to himself
The difference between the roundtables this season and last season is striking. Last year the participants were all trying to muster some minimal enthusiasm for most of the episodes (and often failing!) This year, they all seem excited and intrigued by the endless plot possibilities. It’s a much more fun, interesting read!
Agreed! I love everyone’s speculations!
The more I read about this episode the more I am growing in my appreciation of what Beren’s had to do here. We are at that point in the season where there are multiple plot threads and not much information. The basic exposition was laid out in episodes 1-3; 4 was an anomaly and 5 and 6 have been those difficult to write episodes that contain a lot of plot, some movement and a few reveals, but are not key episodes like a mid-season finale. Beren’s had the task of addressing all of these established threads, provide a bit of new information, but not too much. He was also tasked with a couple of big reveals which he did well and without giving too much away. He laid down some bread crumbs, gave us a few juicy bits all while keeping us intrigued, feeding our desire for information, creating loads of information for speculation while not really revealing too much so that they air of mystery and intrigue is even better than ever. That’s not an easy task, and aside from a bit of a slow start, this episode really did wonderfully well. Berens was able to do with quiet skill what Ross-Leming/Bruckner can never seem to do adequately. Kudos Mr. Berens.
So interesting to hear other perspectives. I love them all! If I may be so bold, I have my own thoughts about Crowley and what I *hope* they have planned for his character. For me, I loved how they went out of their way to point out that Lucifer was an angel. I mean, we all know that, but too often when people think of “the devil” (or some such) they don’t remember that he was an angel that fell. And the show made sure people remembered that little tidbit, which I loved. Because it introduced the concept that all these demons in hell are actually worshiping an angel. So, I *personally* love the idea of a parallel to that, in which all the angels in heaven are actually worshiping a demon, or the devil himself – Crowley. I know people are attached the idea that Chuck is God, but I personally would be disappointed. I’d accept it and it is what it is, but I would just love it so much more if Crowley was actually God. (And if anyone would be interested, I could totally back up how it could work and justify it all). I mean, if he is God, then he could be whoever or whatever he wants to be. Maybe he left heaven, annoyed with his spoiled brat angels and decided to give his attention to hell. After all, he loves humans more than angels and so many human souls were going to hell, maybe that angered him. So he wanted to go down there and straighten things out and try to figure out why people were “opting” to go to hell over heaven and what he could do about it. So, he made himself king of it. He took on a persona of a human long ago, put himself on earth (like Joshua said) and got himself into hell, under disguise. Worked his way up through the ranks, never breaking his cover, to essentially save the souls in hell. And if he is God, he could be wrathful and murderous and very “old testament” about things, just like Crowley is. We are learning now that he sacrificed his own sister for creation, so that tells me he’s capable of killing and being devious, just like Crowley. But somehow, he found a way to save Castiel by stealing a grace for him in the past and so on. I just find it all very interesting, like it has potential. I would totally buy it. He could be anything he wants to be, he is God. It would be the perfect set up for a “know thy enemy” scheme. God is trying to know what’s causing so many of his beloved souls to go to hell, so he became a part of it to try and fix it. He gave up on his spoiled, snobby angels knowing they could fend for themselves. I dont know. I like it. hahaha. That’s what goes on inside my crazy little brain. Forgive me. But if you ask me what I think they should do with Crowley, that’s the answer your’e gonna get. hahaha. Please don’t hate.
As for this season, I’m loving it. I’m loving all the Castiel we are seeing and how he’s handling everything that’s been happening. The season has unfolded really well. I like seeing the Darkness age into a woman and the layers of the plot that are developing as we go along. I really can’t wait for more!
Wild idea and I actually like it. I am for one that doesn’t see Chuck as God and I hope he is not. 🙂
– Lilah
Thanks so much for the feedback. 🙂 The theory I have in my head actually goes into a lot of detail. Knowing and understanding that I am likely wrong, I still enjoy having fun with things like this. And to me, for what it’s worth, it all makes sense. If and once you accept what Crowley’s (aka God’s) mission is, any and all of the ‘bad’ stuff he has done makes sense and is forgiven, so to speak. God isn’t afraid to kill or sacrifice. That’s actually very god-like, even in the early testaments of the bible. But I am no bible expert. I just see Crowley as more than a demon. There is definitely SOMETHING different about him. On many occasions, he has said to the brothers “I ALWAYS keep my word” and almost gets offended at the thought that he doesn’t. Like he actually has his own brand of morals and his own purpose in all of this. I can see God losing his patience easily and sacrificing his angels. He feels where he is needed most is not in heaven, but in hell, where the souls are suffering. He wants to fix that, if he can. And I think he really appreciates Castiel and how he stood up against the self-righteous angels. I think God is disappointed in his angels and is trying, at the same time, to teach them a lesson by “abandoning them”. They are spoiled and he feels he’s got more important things to do than to tend to their petty needs of ‘needing orders’ or ‘needing a leader’. And when you apply all that to Crowley, it just fits. But, maybe that’s just me.
At any rate, I would still totally love the idea of it being that the demons worship an angel – Lucifer, and the angels end up being the ones that worship a demon/devil – Crowley. 😛
I agree with your assessment about Crowley. The problem is that he should not have been a series regular. He should have remained dark, evil, conniving, elusive. and a thorn in the mix of whatever was the latest problem. Being the bored bureaucratic leader of bureaucratic hell is so far removed from the reality painted by the real evil demons and torture experienced by Sam and Dean. To think that he is the king of the place where Lucifer and Michael are locked in the cage is seriously unbelievable. I think Michael and Lucifer could take him out with a sweep of their hands. The other problem with Crowley is he is boringly domesticated; mooning over Dean, being manipulated by Mommy, and his little foray of playing Daddy. Reading a self help book on teen girls was just absurd when dealing with the Darkness. I would like him to leave the domestic qualities behind and rekindle his former self with some scheme to cash in/ get in on the action of the Darkness. I only like Crowley in small effective doses. I would rather see him gone along with his mother than continue on his current path.