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S12 - Episode twenty three "All Along the Watchtower"

EPIC SEASON FINALE – Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) battles Sam (Jared Padalecki), Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Castiel (Misha Collins) for control of his unborn child. Robert Singer directed the episode written by Andrew Dabb (#1223). Original airdate 5/18/2017.

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Guest stars: Courtney Ford (Kelly Kline)
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The CW season finale dates #Arrow #TheFlash #Supergirl #LOT #Riverdale #The100 #Supernatural #JaneTheVirgin

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The finale will air after the penultimate episode. Who calls it penultimate anyway? ;)
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This might be for episode 22 or 23. It is HUGE spoiler no matter on which one it is.

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I'm at the airport. I'm sadly not going to #seacon. But HAPPILY, I am headed to Canada. For work. I'll take pictures. #nospoilers #maybe

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Final tech survey of season 12! Be ready #SPNFamily with this gr8 @andrewdabb script directed by the real Bob Singer! #Supernatural @cw_spn
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If Jim Michael is already doing tech survey for 12.23, the writers should be finished for the season, right? So why are at least three of them sort of freaking out now on Twitter?

https://twitter.com/SleepyPanda76/status/852287644725690369

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I guess their first season is done OR we have one hell of a ride waiting with the last episodes. :D
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Guest stars: Mark Pellegrino (Lucifer), Courtney Ford (Kelly Kline)

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The episode will be very VFX heavy.
Mark P said of the finale script “If you didn’t hate me before, you will after this."
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Some spoilers and rumors.
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Samantha Smith‏ @SamSmithTweets 3 hours ago
The office today. #lovemyjob #supernatural
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Samantha Smith‏Verified account @SamSmithTweets 26 minutes ago
#Spoiler alert! Picture from the set of the #seasonfinale. #supernatural #season12 https://www.instagram.com/p/BS_mS_DhamT/
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Bad ass dudes with a badass ride @Mark_Sheppard https://www.instagram.com/p/BS_2IxXFzBg/
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Title may contain the word “watch.”
Scene were filmed at an outdoor, remote location in BC, maybe a beach, with mountains in the background. Occur towards end of episode, Mary, as, Crowley and the Boys present.
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Gotta love this. 8 day old house 9 yr old dog
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Is this bunker haunted? #supernatural https://www.instagram.com/p/BTHwL4lBf6W/
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From TV Line

PRE-FINALE: As the British Men of Letters start to make their move, “people that Sam and Dean know/love pay the price,” forcing the brothers to take “a much stronger role in the wider hunter community” as generals, executive producer Andrew Dabb previews. Mary also faces a difficult battle with the Brits: She, “more than Sam and Dean, is on the inside, so her journey out may be a little bit more complicated,” Dabb notes. Meanwhile, Cas’ return brings “a lot of clarity” about “why he’s been in Heaven for so long” and “his own point of view on why he went.” And as the impending birth of Lucifer’s Nephilim offspring nears, “everyone is going to activate more and more.” Also on tap: the returns of Jody Mills and her surrogate daughter Alex, and “two surprise appearances, one by a relative newcomer and one by an old favorite.”

SEASON FINALE (MAY 18): The two-hour finale – the first episode deals with the Brits, while the second is Lucifer-centric – is “big and, I hope, somewhat bold and, in some ways, heartbreaking,” Dabb shares. The closer “also opens up some new stories for Season 13 in a very interesting way.”
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From EW.

The CW, Thursday, May 18, 8 p.m.

The long-running drama has explored just about every option when it comes to season-ending suspense for its characters. Facing the apocalypse? Done. Being dragged to hell? Check. Killing death itself? Yep. (Try to wrap your head around that one.) But the season 12 capper will find Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) surrounded by enemies — and, thankfully, a few friends — as they deal with Lucifer and the British Men of Letters. "We’re going for a more traditional Supernatural season finale, where people will die, people will live, and people will be in danger," showrunner Andrew Dabb says. "[The episode] leaves everyone in an extremely precarious position. We are very conscious about this whole idea of opening new worlds."
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New BTS shots!

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Dirty bastards! https://www.instagram.com/p/BTSx-uUliak/

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This one sums up our real characters. https://www.instagram.com/p/BTUOa3olPGc/
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Samantha Smith‏ @SamSmithTweets 1 day ago
Only 4 more days till wrap on the finale. I cannot believe how fast the season went. Privileged, lucky, grateful. #supernatural #lovemyjob
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Backdrop for our season finale. Not shabby at all. #spnfamily https://www.instagram.com/p/BTSsm92DAMk/
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Now you can either walk tall or carry a big stick Jared. You can't do both! @jarpad @jensenackles @cw_spn

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Supernatural Batting Practice with @jensenackles and @nyackfats

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Some days the view from the office is better than others! @cw_spn #Supernatural #SPNFamily
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Kim‏ @kim_rey 3 hours ago
Is it a new one we haven't seen yet??

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Yep. Part of the two part finale on May 18

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Watching one of the best #Supernatural episodes I've ever seen. ALL. THE. FEELINGS! Bravo @jarpad and @JensenAckles

Suzanne Gomez‏ @Chico6 3 hours ago
@JensenAckles deserves all the awards. That scene... ???#needtofixmymakeup

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Brother moments are the best. #Supernatural

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Damn it. Now @jarpad made me cry. I just touched up my makeup too. I need to go hug some people.
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Episode 23 synopsis from KsiteTV

The season finale “All Along the Watchtower” airs at 9PM. Here’s that write-up:

EPIC SEASON FINALE – Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) battles Sam (Jared Padalecki), Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Castiel (Misha Collins) for control of his unborn child. Robert Singer directed the episode written by Andrew Dabb (#1223). Original airdate 5/18/2017.
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We’re getting so many teases about the Supernatural finale. What’s happening?! — Carla
Not surprisingly, there’s a lot happening, because as showrunner Andrew Dabb hinted at the beginning of the season, Sam and Dean are going to find themselves surrounded by enemies. “Lucifer is going to play a lot in our final run,” Dabb says. “The first part of the season was devoted to getting to know mom a little bit and the first part of the Lucifer story, the second part of the season strongly has been about the British Men of Letters and how they relate to Sam and Dean, and in the back third of our season, we’re really bringing all that stuff together. After doing a lot of ground work and lining up our dominos, we’re going to start knocking some stuff down. Lucifer will be a big part of that, Ketch and the British Men of Letters will be a big part of that, and I think it hopefully will build up to a really, really exciting finale.”
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Misha Collins @mishacollins Apr 27
How was the ep, east coat? I'm last man standing. @jarpad, @Mark_Sheppard, & @JensenAckles all wrapped. Last day, #Supernatural season 12!
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Location, nights, bears oh my!@cw_spn #SPNFamily #spncrew
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Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest):

A “purgatory-esque” twist is coming, though we don’t know what that means?
Crowley will be roughed up and dirty at some point.
It looks like the climactic scenes will take place at beach/lake location near mountains.
Dabb on the finale: “We’re going for a more traditional Supernatural season finale, where people will die, people will live, and people will be in danger,” showrunner Andrew Dabb says. “[The episode] leaves everyone in an extremely precarious position. We are very conscious about this whole idea of opening new worlds.”
The focus of the episode will be on the Nephilim storyline.
Rowena seems unlikely. ;A;, Jody as well won’t show up in this episode.
Sam Smith filmed scenes in the bunker
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Supernatural 12x22 "Who We Are" / 12x23 "All Along the Watchtower" Promo (HD) Season Finale

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From Buddy TV Ruth Connell said at Ottawa Comic Con

"I feel like the end of the season is going to ruffle quite a few feathers in the fandom," Connell said at last weekend's Ottawa Comiccon. "I'm going to say that I don't think things are going to get easier, let's put it that way."


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Ruth Connell did NOT film on this episode, as far as we know.
Andrew Dabb says this the “most meta finale” the show has ever done and some twists are coming that they’ve never done before.
We may see some wings.
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TV Supernatural boss previews the 'most meta finale we've ever done' from EW!

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In the final two episodes of Supernatural‘s 12th season — airing back-to-back on Thursday — Sam and Dean face off against two major foes: the British Men of Letters and Lucifer. And even though the episodes are standalone stories, showrunner Andrew Dabb sees the two-hour slot as an opportunity. “We’re wrapping a lot of things up and certain plot lines will be ended this season — some forever and some temporarily — but also, that allows us to build up steam going into season 13,” Dabb says. “Coming out of the finale, people will have a pretty good idea of where things are going.”

When it comes to Supernatural, most finales can fall into one of two categories: Something that very directly affects the Winchesters (Dean becomes a demon; one of them ends up in hell) or something that affects, well, the entire world (the angels are falling; the Darkness is released). When season 12 ends, Dabb hopes they’ve created a finale that’s a bit of both. “There are some things that happen that impact strongly and directly on the boys, while at the same time, we are starting a new chapter in the show, [though] not in a way of erasing what’s come before,” Dabb says. “I think it’s something that will be a natural progression of what we’ve done but also cool and different and hopefully give us a lot of energy going into season 13.”

But what is happening in the finale isn’t the only draw. There’s also the matter of how it’s happening. Like some of the best episodes before it, this one will get a little meta. “Finales, by definition, can’t go too crazy,” Dabb says. “But I will say this: It’s by far the most meta finale we’ve ever done. There are some twists coming that we’ve never done before.”
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Supernatural: Misha Collins previews 'epic consequences' in season 12 finale from EW!

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Castiel might be an angel, but he’s made quite a few mistakes over the years. And the last time Supernatural fans saw him, he admitted just how much those mistakes have stuck with him. His past failures haunt him, and that will continue into the final two episodes of season 12. “I think that mindset has been driving Castiel for an incredibly long time,” Misha Collins says. “He’s somebody who’s just overwrought with regret about his past failures and he is continuously renewing his commitment to right his past wrongs, no matter what the cost. We get into that ‘no matter what the cost’ mode again in really stark relief in the finale.”

When it comes to protecting Lucifer’s baby — a decision Castiel recently made — Collins claims that Castiel truly believes he’s making the right choice, though the actor admits the angel is “really playing with fire” this time. Furthermore, Collins says, “There are going to be some fairly epic consequences in the season finale.”

And let’s not forget, Castiel still supposedly has to suffer some epic consequences from killing Billie earlier in the season, a decision Collins says will fold back into the finale. “As far as season finales go, this one’s going to be one of the more emotionally taxing and traumatic that we’ve had in a long time,” he says.

One bit of good news? Castiel’s decision to defend Kelly won’t put him at odds with the Winchesters now that Lucifer’s free. “The band actually does get back together at the end,” Collins says. “We’re all fighting against a common enemy at the end.”
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Ep 1223 #Supernatural (9-10pm)
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Writer:@andrewdabb
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First of all the “meta” part of the story is actually pretty cool and isn’t going to be a letdown like I read some claiming. It’s not a copout and it’s not something out of left field. It really makes sense with what has been happening this season and really for the past few seasons. In fact, you can consider the meta aspect more of an arc, and there is a character returning that fans may be happy (or not) to see return.

Now, another fear I read about is that the finale will be bro-lite, but it’s actually from what I know, it’s going to be one of the most bro-centric episodes you’ve ever seen. In fact, from the scenes she described to me, 9/10 were bro-centered, and the last 5 minutes of the finale will absolutely blow your socks away as a bro fan. I’m talking better than Swan Song, better than all broments combined. There is something specifically from season 5 and Swan Song that gets brought up and addressed in this really cool “meta” / “fandom-y” way. I almost cried when I read about it.

Major spoiler: Three words you’ve waited to hear, bro fans get said. But guess who says them and why?!

Yes, all main characters have a good role, but of course the bros take center stage. Dean has a great role, but Sam gets the shining moment in the finale. There is a “transformation” of sorts that Sam will go through, both within and without. To give a hint: He comes to a conclusion about where he is in life, and what Dean means to him, and he verbalizes it. This doesn’t happen in the final moment, that’s something separate. But it’s close, and it’s a really insightful moment. I heard that it was actually Jared who mentioned Sam saying something like this to the writers last year, and they finally found a way to add it to the script. So, you get a broment that was essentially created by Jared, isn’t that cool?

Other concerns that Cas would be killed or written off, nope. This won’t happen, and in fact, I know a bit about what they are planning for next year based on the last scene of the finale and Cas is absolutely essential. You’ll laugh when you see it, but he’s connected to the plot quite literally and you won’t be able to untangle him until next season. lol #somanypuns

I heard someone say they are ‘resetting’ the show and this isn’t true. Some parts are being…expanded, I would say, and there is call back to season 1 to show growth, mainly with the brothers, but they aren’t changing anything. You can actually, IMO, see this finale almost like a spinoff episode for next season. It’s the same show, but there are a few unique differences that make it almost like a new iteration of it.

Now, don’t read too much into this, but the episode has a moment in it that is hella gay. No, destiel doesn’t become canon, but yes, some shippers may be happy about this, and some will probably want to forward through this season. Psst..it’s the second to the last scene of the finale…so you literally have to wait, and wait, and wait…for it. But it’s worth it.

Get ready to say goodbye! Someone you’ve come to love will die, permanently thanks to Lucifer, so prepare to say goodbye.

There is another death, too, but for a minor character.

Well, I’m done with the teaser. If you want more specific details, you’ll have to message me. I am going to try to respond to everyone as long as you are off anon. Please don’t spam or ambush me with a million messages. I’ll get to everyone, but at my own pace. I can’t read messages all day, but I promise to dedicate this weekend to sorting through my DM’s if there are some.

I was vague here to keep the major spoilers sealed because I don’t want to ruin someone’s fun if they dont’ want to be spoiled. If you DM me, I’ll spoil major stuff but on the acknowledgement that you can only share through private means, no posting publicly as that may ruin the finale for people.
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