This episode, penned by Robbie Thompson, begins in County Cork, Ireland.
A man and a woman are with their daughter, who’s in a crib, when a high pitched scream disrupts their dancing. A banshee enters and kills the parents, leaving the baby crying in the crib.

Back in the bunker, Sam has nightmares about his time with Lucifer in the cage. Dean comes in and finds Sam awake in the middle of the night. He found them a case close to home. Apparently Sam has not left the bunker in days. Sam notes that they should be worried about Amara and Castiel. Dean says they have nothing on Amara and that Cas will be fine.

We switch to Casifer or Lustiel in a park, feeding the ducks. A man in a gray suit comes close and Casifer leads the man into the woods. We see that the man is an angel with a blade. The angel knows Castiel is Lucifer. Lucifer talks about missing things when he was in the cage and assures the angel he can beat the darkness. Of course, we know how this scene ends. Not good for Robert Mitchum angel.  

Sam and Dean go to Oak Park for the case. It’s a home for the elderly. A man named Harold was killed and they can’t figure out what happened. Mildred, played by the fantastic Dee Wallace, enters and she checks out Dean. Dean interrogates the manager and we find out Harold had enemies. Sam investigates the crime scene and finds that Harold was stealing Viagra. Harold was accused of stealing someone’s pension checks and they go to the man’s body to burn it. Dean reflects on Sam’s seeming pessimism and they discuss Sam’s experience with Lucifer in the cage. Back at the home, the manager hears a high pitched scream and we see the banshee reappear. The manager jumps through the window and Mildred sees the banshee kill him.

Sam and Dean question Mildred. She explains that she saw something. She holds Dean’s a hand a bit too long. Sam notices a maid and questions her. Sam notices that she is hearing impaired and she corrects his sign language use. Later, Dean explains that they are dealing with a bad banshee. Dean heads back to the bunker to get a gold blade and Sam stays to find out who is vulnerable to the banshee. The maid watches from the second story window as Dean drives away. When Dean gets back to the bunker, he notices a noise, pulls his gun, and runs down the bunker hallway and finds “Castiel” searching the bunkers.  Casifer pretends to be Cas. Dean reveals that he missed killing Amara twice, a fact which Casifer is very curious about.

Sam goes back to talk to Mildred. He reveals that they are not FBI but hunters and they won’t let her get hurt. Sam asks about Marlene, the maid. He figures out that she is not really Marlene. He follows the maid around and she figures it out and a struggle ensues. She confronts him and thinks that he’s the banshee at first and we see that the maid is the baby. She was raised by a hunter named Lillian. She became a hunter and she’s a legacy.

Back at the bunker, Dean admits he is attracted or connected to Amara. Casifer plays concern well and says they may be able to use the attraction to their advantage. Sam calls Dean to research Eileen's (the maid) story and they find out it’s true. Dean asks Casifer not to tell Sam about his failures to kill Amara. Cas promises Dean won’t be alone the next time he faces Amara. Dean leaves and returns to the nursing home.

Back at the home, Eileen and Sam are talking about what she will do after she gets her revenge on the banshee. She thinks she might want to be a lawyer like her mother. Sam tells her that he was studying law before Dean came to get him to get their own revenge. She’s surprised they’ve been hunting ever since and Sam says he wouldn’t do it without his brother, who has been with him every step of the way, even when he’s disappointed Dean. At that point, Dean arrives with the gold blades to kill the banshee. Mildred greets Dean and takes him aside. They watch a sunset together and she tells him about her life and tells him to follow his heart. Dean hears the high scream and collapses as Sam rushes to his side. They turn and the banshee is hovering over them all.

The banshee throws Eileen and Sam across the room as Dean pounds his head into the wall. Mildred cuts her hand and traps the banshee between the symbols on the wall. Eileen kills the banshee. After, Sam and Eileen talk and Eileen decides to keep hunting since the banshee kill can’t bring her parents back. Sam tells her to keep in contact. Mildred sees Dean out and says he’s pining for someone, she can tell. The women watch as the boys drive away and sign back and forth about the Winchesters’ beauty.

Back at the bunker, Sam and Dean talk and Sam tells Dean about what Lucifer showed him. Sam apologizes for not looking for Dean when he was in purgatory. Dean says he forgives Sam and it only matters that they are together now. Sam says good night but does stop to wonder why the banshee went after Dean. The episode ends with Sam putting the retirement home pamphlet in a box of pictures of him and Dean while Dean is in his room and we see that he can’t sleep.

Another great outing by Robbie Thompson!

N.B.: I write this spec as the episode airs so if I miss things please forgive me and my hurry.

Questions, Specs, Feelings

1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this?

2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker?

3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters?

4. Why was Dean vulnerable?

5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end?

Leave your thoughts, feelings, etc. below!

 

Comments  

sylvia37
# sylvia37 2016-01-27 22:47
Great episode. It's official. Someone walked into the Jeremy Carver's office and gave him a talking to about Sam's lack of POV, friends, follow up on his trauma, throwing him under the bus about Amelia, etc. It's the only explanation. I think season 11 has officially become my favorite season since season 3.

1. I guess Dean feels vulnerable and stupid and doesn't want to look weak in front of Sam? Maybe he feels a little like maybe he thought Sam felt with Ruby and he knows it's hypocritical?

2. I think he was looking for ways to stay topside after the Amara business is over.

3. OMG, I loved Eileen and Mildred! SAM MADE A FRIEND!! Mildred was so funny and I would rather watch the two of them then Claire and whoever any day of the week.

4. See question 1.

5. I think it was a gross simplification of what happened in season 8, but I was glad that Dean said he had forgiven Sam because Sam needed to hear it. I wish, wish, wish that Dean had admitted some culpability for the guilt Sam felt, and I wish, wish, wish that Dean had told Sam the truth of what's going on. I'm really not looking forward to Dean following his heart to Amara. That storyline sounds just sickening.

All in all, a really good episode. I was involved and interested through the whole thing and I loved that they had a great female hunter who didn't die and maybe will come back and WAS SAM"S FRIEND! My only issue was that Dean is still lying and that scene with him and Casifer was creepy and yuck. It was probably supposed to be, but yuck.
Sakii
# Sakii 2016-01-27 23:03
FYI: Misha has tweeted that he likes Lustiel.

Good, cuz that's my favorite name for that combo too.
It works on multitudes of levels.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-27 23:15
Well, there was a lot to love about this ep. I think it was the best writing RT has ever done for Sam, and one of the very few times he gave us quite a bit of Sam POV. Sam actually got to have a terrific interaction with the guest star, Eileen (or what ever her name was), who I found to be an interesting and sympathetic MOTW character. The show has excelled this season in giving us fleshed out and interesting guest characters, and she is a prime example of this. I loved her, I loved the tie in to the MOL, and I thought she and Sam had a wonderful rapport. I agree with Sylvia: Sam finally made an effing friend!!! Yay!!!! See, that wasn't so hard RT, was it? I would love to see her again.

I also loved Dee Wallace and the character she played. She had a nice dynamic with Dean, and it was fun watching her put the moves on him. What could have been cheesy and silly came off as sweet IMO. The MOTW itself was quite interesting, and in many ways this ep seemed like yet another throwback to the earlier seasons when the MOTW eps were not mere filler, but were excellent eps in their own right.

It was also another wonderful example of how the brothers' relationship is back on its old footing: teasing, caring, supportive of each other, and wonderful in every way except for the secret Dean is foolishly, and inexplicably, keeping. I cannot fathom any reason why he is willing to share his fears about the Amara connection with Cas but not with Sam. That scene also seemed unrealistic, in that Dean practically tripped over himself confiding in Cas. And the weird excessive touching by Casifer seemed off for Luci.I'm assuming that Dean had to let Cas know about the connection so that Lucifer can be plotting some way to take advantage of this connection as a means of defeating Amara. It does seem to be the case that Luci truly wants to defeat Amara, there is no reason why he would lie about that to that other angel.

Which brings me to one of my gripes with the ep: I'm still not wild about Casifer. Misha toned it down this ep so it was not cringe worthy, and at times it worked for me. But whenever he tries to mimic MP's facial expressions he just looks silly and cartoonish IMO. I also didn't like the fact that disposable angel #5 actually was going to take Lucifer on- he should have been crapping his pants in terror and running the other way, or at the very least calling for reinforcements. Remember when Lucifer struck fear and dread in the hearts of even powerful angels? I guess this angel found Casifer as unimposing as I do! As an aside, I'm assuming that Luci still has the power of flight? Since he was in hell when Metatron's spell was cast, presumably he was unaffected. He had already fallen centuries earlier, yet still retained the power of flight after Sam raised him, so I would think he still possesses it now.

My final gripe is the whole Sam “not looking” issue. With the simple addition of one or two lines of dialogue I would finally have been able to let it go, but RT didn't do that. He has been quoted as saying that he'd wanted to explain in S8 what happened with the effing dog; well, if this is his idea of clarifying the issue it sucks. I have no problem with Sam's guilt about the whole thing, since that is the Winchester way. But if only he had said something to explain BRIEFLY that he hadn't looked because he had “imploded” (as he said to Amelia), that all of the pain and loss of that year just wrecked him. Better yet, I was hoping Dean would acknowledge something like that when he told Sam that he had forgiven him. But for some reason it seems to be very important to TPTB to not cast Sam's OOC action in S8 in too sympathetic a light. I will simply never understand that.

But aside from that, in this ep RT amazingly continued the streak of making up for all of the sidelining of Sam the past two seasons by giving him a rich storyline, and some terrific POV. I loved that last scene of Sam putting the brochure of the retirement home in the box with his special mementos, yet more proof that he is maintaining his faith in the brothers' ability to defeat the D and live to a ripe old age. RT gave us some terrific interactions between the brothers, and it seems like the show is finally going to ramp up the story of Dean's connection with Amara. Unfortunately, that might come to a screeching halt next week with the Claire ep. When she announced in the preview that she has been hunting, I actually groaned. I would much rather see the MOL hunter from this ep back than revisit Claire. The only thing I wondered about her reappearance is if Cas's lack of interest in accompanying the boys when Claire calls sets off louder alarm bells about him.
I don't know what they put in the water at the writers' offices, but they keep coming up with one good/great ep after another, and I'm loving it. I really think it's the best first half of a season since S5.
sylvia37
# sylvia37 2016-01-27 23:31
I am not looking forward to "hunting" Claire either. And I forgot to mention Sam's Keepsake Box!!!!.

A photo shopped picture of Jensen and Jared as Sam and Dean, lol, and the "Samulet" from Fan Fiction. Awesome!
BoGirle
# BoGirle 2016-01-28 05:53
Can I say that I love, Love, LOVE that Sam kept that Samulet....! Aw. It shows that he is still sad about it's loss.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 07:10
I hadn't even noticed the fake Samulet. The only thing that would have made me happier is if it had been the real one! But I LOVE the fact that Sam has a memento box at all.
Shante
# Shante 2016-01-28 07:12
i didnt either
Shante
# Shante 2016-01-28 06:20
hi samanddean10, i agree with your post, a few things:1. i would like to forget the last 10 mins of the episode because of your gripe nearly ruined the episode for me the not looking issue. its nice that Dean forgives Sam but,Dean's still lying to him
2. there are only 2 Lucifers Mark P and Jared Padalecki
3. i'll be back for episode 13
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 07:50
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i'll be back for episode 13
I'm torn Shante. I can't stand the thought of the next coming of Charlie, ie, an instant huntress paragon! The skills that took Sam and Dean many years to hone have been perfected by Clair in just a few short months! But there is a chance that the ep won't make me want to gouge my eyes and ears out because the season has just been so damn good so far. Only one stinker IMO. So like those who can't avert their eyes from a horrifying accident, I will be tuning in next week. Maybe it will be a fender bender rather than a horrifying wreck.:)
Shante
# Shante 2016-01-28 08:44
i dont have time to watch another show this wont be Supernatural next week by the looks of that promo, its Jody with teenagers who calls Sam and Dean for help-the wannabe teenage hunters show no sorry. when Supernatural returns, i will be there
Shante
# Shante 2016-01-28 09:07
i'll watch 6 days after it airs. i fear Sam and Dean will be babysitting and teaching, helping teenage mutant ninja hunters with Jody
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-28 08:39
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And the weird excessive touching by Casifer seemed off for Luci.
This was Lucifer pretending to be Cas and doing what he thought Cas would do.
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I would much rather see the MOL hunter from this ep back than revisit Claire.
I was very happy to see the addition of the new MOl hunter. When Sam said he had faith in his family and friends, it made me think that there was practically no family or friends left! All the family, except for Dean is dead. All the old friends including their Dad's network of friends are dead, Bobby and his connection of friends are dead. Any friends the boys have made are dead except for Cole. We have Cas, an angel (albeit currently possessed), Jodi who is preoccupied with being a teen den mom, and the other happy sheriff. So yes, very glad to see a competent hunter friend.
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When she (Claire) announced in the preview that she has been hunting, I actually groaned.
Well of course she is hunting and she is already an expert. Claire is my all time most disliked character on this show.
Vanessa
# Vanessa 2016-01-28 12:41
I was so happy to come here and read these comments today because I thought I was the only one in the world who intensely dislikes Claire. And I have zero interest in the whole wayward daughters thing.
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-28 17:00
I am all for the Wayward daughters thing if they spin it off Supernatural!
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 19:42
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Claire is my all time most disliked character on this show.
My pick for all-time least favorite is a tie between Charlie and Krissy, although Claire was in the running until her last ep, the only one in which I didn't want to reach through the tv and pop her one. For now, she'll have to settle for 3rd place on my list, although that could change next Wednesday!:)
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-28 20:00
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CZ1isGSWYAA95pb.mp4

Just for you SamandDean You didn't mention Sam's beautiful flowing hair over the burning of the bones grave site mmmmmmm
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 20:22
I didn't mention it, but you can bet your ass I noticed it. Jared looked gorgeous in that scene. I also loved Mildred's line about being too old to climb mountains, but I just shook my head and muttered "you damn fool, Mildred.":)
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-28 23:35
OHHHHHHH just for 5min with Jared/Sam the things I could, would love to do (Sorry Gen) I would fly to the moon or climb Mt Everest :o:o:o:o:o:o
Scullspeare
# Scullspeare 2016-01-27 23:30
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1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this?
Part of Dean will always be Sam’s protector (“Have you met me?”) so he’ll always struggle with admitting weakness to his little brother – it’s not in the job description. Cas, on the other hand, is his friend so there’s no need to wear the infallible armour with him. I believe he’ll eventually tell Sam, either when he thinks he’s got it figured out, or when he’s close to breaking.

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2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker?
Don’t know, but I can’t wait to find out. I love a scheming Lucifer.

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3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters?
Really liked them both – funny, smart and capable. Mildred’s flirtations with Dean were priceless, so kudos to JA and Dee Wallace. And yay, both survived through the end credits. Nice to see Sam make a friend, too.

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4. Why was Dean vulnerable?
Because Amara got to him and he can’t figure out how or why? Although I will admit when I first saw stills from this episode that showed Dean’s eyes bleeding, I flashed back to Season One’s Bloody Mary and wondered if we were finally going to get an answer to why Dean’s eyes bled there. Maybe not, but guilt and vulnerability can be opposing sides of the same coin. Hmmm….

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5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end?

I choose to interpret this as an apology by proxy to the fans from the writers – so thank you Robbie Thompson. Sam not looking for Dean will always be one of SPN’s biggest WTF storylines; it fit neither the character nor the story that preceded it. I get annoyed just thinking about it, especially since there were so many better and more in-character ways the same end result could have been achieved. In and of itself, there was a lovely emotional maturity to the scene, something we’re seeing a lot of this season and I’m liking it.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 00:17
Casifer tearing up the MOL storeroom looking for....da, da, daaaaaaa!!!! The Spear of Destiny!!! Unfortunately for Lucifer he is unable to crack Deans cataloging codes. He did find the first edition Busty Asian Beauties mag tho hence not seeing him again for the rest of the hour....

It should be interesting how Casifer acts with Claire. Or if she picks up on anything. Then again he does have an all access pass into Cas's memories...

Poor Dean is so spun when it comes to Amara he doesn't know what he's feeling.
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 01:22
Casifer needs Charlie's code breaking to figure out that dewy decimal system. The spear is looking more and more like a legit thing. You may have been on to something.

Do you think the first blade will be a factor? Cas is the only who know where it is...
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 01:53
Cas knows where the demon tablet and the First Blade is. Casifer was in Hell, he probably snatched up both the BOTD and the codex from the main room where Rowena cast her spell. It would make sense.

If ever they were going to introduce the SOD, this would be the time. ;) I expect if it comes into play we won't see it till around Episode 18 or so...

Reading on other sites where Dean is in love with Amara. I don't buy that. Lust, curiosity, infatuation, confusion, connection - yes. Love, no.
sugarhi15
# sugarhi15 2016-01-28 00:57
1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this?
I think Dean is ashamed, scared and feeling weak and he's afraid to talk to Sam about it for the usual reason.....he doesn't want sam to think of dean as being weak or incapable. Dean is the big brother after all. It's been the same excuse for both of them forever now...each worrying how the other will see them. On the bright side, Sam is getting past this fear as he is opening up to his brother. I think Dean will too, it just usually takes him longer to do so.
2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker? I'm still not sure Luci wants to even stop the darkness. He could've been up to anything in the bunker, but I do know it wasn't anything good. Not for anyone.

3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters?
They were a joy to watch. It's nice to know that there are other legacies out there....could be helpful to the boys in the future.
4. Why was Dean vulnerable?
I think Dean is now vulnerable because he spilled the truth about his amara thing to luci and now luci will use it against him. He's vulnerable to luci even more than he's vulnerable to amara...amara he can avoid, luci is in cas and dean has no clue.

5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end?
I think Robbie Thompson has continued to use the double meaning method of writing in which the story can be interpreted in two ways, depending how you choose to view it.

Sam: "I should've looked for you . When you were in purgatory, I should've turned over every stone, but I didn't ...I stopped."

so we have option A. one can look at it like this. " I should've turned every stone but, I didn't, I stopped...Does that mean Sam in fact did try? Those first months when Sam said the just got in the car and drove, did he make the attempt to look but failed in that attempt? He stopped because he had no information, no clue, no help, nothing....did he convince himself that his brother had died because he couldn't face up to dean just being missing and sam not able to find him.

or....
Option B
I should've looked for you. ( as in I should've looked for a way to bring you back). When you were in purgatory, I should've turned over every stone. (meaning I should've looked for other ways besides demon deals to bring you back from the dead. I should've tried other methods, promise or not.) But I stopped. ( but instead I ran. I stopped hunting. I couldn't do it. I was weak and I failed you.) ( this is of course how Sam sees himself, not at all as I see Sam)

I think it's the latter, Option B.;) But no matter how you look at it, Sam has borne the burden of this guilt to this day....and even though it would've been nice for dean to admit that a promise was made, I think by telling Sam to let it go...he's long forgiven him...and all that matters is that they're together, was his way of letting Sam know that dean loves him and never has truly seen sam as a disappointment. So, I'll take it. :D
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-28 01:29
Very muchly enjoyed the pase of this episode. Even Ep10 though gripping,was a good paced episode. The writers (as has been said) appear to be tidying up loose ends from the pass 5 yrs. At times not overlly satisfying but will take any personnal pov as a win Still no bro hug. :D:D:D:D

1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this?
As all comments say above I too believe its a sign (to Dean) of weakness, and Dean is still hesitant about what IT is, there was a mention in a comment above which I thought interesting. Could it also be because of Sam & Ruby and how down on Sam Dean was maybe Dean now is suddenly feeling like a hypercrite

2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker?
Could he be looking for the BOD and the codex I'm sure the Boys have it hidden there somewhere. I was thinking maybe the blade, but Cas knows where that is and its useless without the MOC

3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters?
I hope and pray they take Eileen's story line across many episodes, as a new hunter a Women of Letters and a friend/Confidan t for Sam. I loved Mildred, I'm a Age Care Worker and I see many attractive older women who still Love Life/sex/fun and companionship I could totally relate. You go Mildred

4. Why was Dean vulnerable?
As said Dean now has aired his fear about Amara once it was released into the universe it becomes a vunerbility -- but there also could be something else Maybe connected to Death

5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end?
I will take it as a win. Although the way the scene was set up I feel they could have done more. I know the Boys arn't into epic story telling, but Jared handles dialogue well and I longer explanation would have been better. Something along the lines of Dean about purgatory and not looking for you When you disappeared that day the world stopped, my head was still in a million places after Lucifer / being soulless. haveing my mind scrambled -- and I just stopped I crumbled and didn't won't to face the hunters life any more. Everybody was dead & you my bother gone, so I ran until I couldn't run anymore. Sorry
Dean: I understand Sam and I forgive you --- Que ------ a nice BIG BRO HUG :o:o:o:o:o

The only other comment is that I'm not sure about Dean/Amara story direction. Is it a similar attraction to Sam & Ruby is there a lesson here for Dean. I was and am still hoping it doesn't turn overly romantic
YellowEyedSam
# YellowEyedSam 2016-01-28 06:04
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The writers (as has been said) appear to be tidying up loose ends from the pass 5 yrs.
Be nice if they tied up the demon blood thing! And please, my fellow SPN fans, spare me the bull**** excuse of Sam's "hopeful" line in S8 finale.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 07:15
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When you disappeared that day the world stopped, my head was still in a million places after Lucifer / being soulless. haveing my mind scrambled -- and I just stopped I crumbled and didn't won't to face the hunters life any more. Everybody was dead & you my bother gone, so I ran until I couldn't run anymore. Sorry
Dean: I understand Sam and I forgive you --- Que ------ a nice BIG BRO HUG :o:o:o:o:o
I like your version better than RT's Jen! Especially the hug.:)
nickmaniac
# nickmaniac 2016-01-28 10:13
It would be great to hear this, but from a guy's perspective (of which I am one), it's not very realistic between men. And especially between what's already been established for a decade between these two guys. :) Peace.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 12:14
Nickmaniac - Thank you for the guy perspective. This is exactly as I have read it. Close male friends I have, none of them would go on and on like that. One sentence, boom, done. Especially with an existing history like Sam and Dean share. What we are getting is realistic although to some, frustrating.
njspnfan
# njspnfan 2016-01-28 13:47
It would be great to hear this, but from a guy's perspective (of which I am one), it's not very realistic between men. And especially between what's already been established for a decade between these two guys

Exactly and besides, if the brothers started with the long winded heartfelt apologies some fans are looking for, apologizing for all the crap that's happened, it would take up half the season.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 14:17
Season Twelve: The Apology.

Episode One: Mea Culpa. Episode Two: Mea Maxima Culpa. Episode Three: Seriously. Episode Four: We Both *ucked Up. Episode Five: How Is It Remotely Possible For Two People To So Consistently *uck up. Episode Six: On Second Thought, It's All Your Fault. Episode Seven: I Really Didn't Mean That. Episode Eight: Where's The Trickster When You Need Him...
:)
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 14:22
Episode Nine: So THAT'S Where I Put That Damned "Spear Of Destiny"! Episode Ten: The "Spear Of Destiny" Commune Reconvenes
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-28 23:33
Sorry Allycat I'm sure Dean called it "gods toothpick " at first LOL
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-29 01:00
God's Little Toothpick Commune just doesn't have the same sort of gravitas though...
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-29 04:52
Ok You can have the "Spear of Destiny" But I get to pick a name for the next one LOL I still miss my trains ............... ... TOOT TOOT
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-28 17:05
Very funny! :D
Sharon
# Sharon 2016-01-28 15:07
I do not need sorry,s for everything but somethings do need more than nothing. They had Dean way cross a line in season 9 as much has people see Sam not looking for Dean a line crossed some acknowledgement of that would not go amiss.
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-28 17:06
Agreed.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 20:27
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Exactly and besides, if the brothers started with the long winded heartfelt apologies some fans are looking for, apologizing for all the crap that's happened, it would take up half the season.
Maybe so, but it still would have been a vast improvement over most of what we got in S 9 and S10!:)
anonymousN
# anonymousN 2016-01-28 14:55
It would have been realistic.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 17:20
Sorry nickmaniac, but I think the precedent was set years ago with Sam and Dean that they are able and willing to clear the air between them. It hasn't been a regular thing, and it isn't accompanied by sobs and hugs, but they have had many conversations relating to their relationship ups and downs, as well as their emotional state--just very few in the past couple of seasons. Come on, these are the guys who have perfected the single man tear! Sacrifice was a prime example. I'm not asking for melodrama, just a brief explanation from Sam about what was happening with him after Dean was blasted to Purgatory. Especially since it was the pivotal event which led to all of the crap that happened in S 10. However, I do appreciate the male perspective! :) In fact, I always wonder what the male WFBers think of all of the largely female emoting and angsting that goes on here, and to which I plead guilty. Care to share?;)
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 01:47
Overall, really liked the ep. I think Andrew Dabb taking over as head writer made a huge difference. Dean, please tell your brother the truth. Please. Why do the writers continue to insist that the brothers keep the important stuff from each other? Sam has pretty much come clean- time for Dean to do the same.

I love the fact that they are able to have a normal conversation, while both being normal at the same time - even though Dean has this Amara attraction, I still think this season is the most normal they've been at the same time in I can't even remember how long. Since after souless and before the wall came down in Sam's head?

As soon as Sam and Casifer cross paths, I think Sam will figure out that's not Cas. I never could fool you...

I agree with sugarhi, Dean is more vulnerable to luci now. Poor guy.

I'm not even gonna touch the looking/not looking, except to say writers please stop asking for me (I'm just speaking for myself) to forgive you for the year of the dog, because I won't. Please drop it now before you open mouth and insert foot in another lame attempt to clarify your previous clarification. I'm still pissed and will continue to be pissed for that shitty storyline. Enough said.

As others noted, glad that Sam made a friend. And she survived.
LEAH
# LEAH 2016-01-28 02:14
I enjoyed this one very much. I am glad to see that people are understanding why Dean is keeping the Amara thing from his brother. That he isn't just being a jerk. It's usually because he doesn't want to worry Sam or he doesn't want to appear weak to him or he doesn't want him harmed. Or all 3. He just can't seem to alter that dynamic. I am VERY glad to seem them sharing and caring. I fear this Amara connection/attr action will threaten that. I adored the guest stars this week. Very entertaining. Dee Wallace was great. One of the few actresses that could have pulled off that flirting thing with Dean and not come off lecherous. One of my pet peeves is the lecherous older woman trope. She was was playful and funny and sweet. Dean really liked her. I loved that Sam and Eileen got to make friends. I assume she is really deaf, it would be nice to see her again. It would have been nice for Dean to have said he was sorry for a few things too but maybe they will sprinkle these little moments through the season. I am honestry very impressed with the season as a whole so far for many reasons. Past events are not only not ignored but there has been attempts to tie up some loose threads. I am loving the lack of tension. The love and concern is palpable. Lastly the Banshee was actually very creepy and scary. It has been SO long since we have seen a new (ish) or original creature. I was very happy to see that. this MOW seemed more like SPN's horror roots. I give it a B+.

[edit] I wanted to add that I think Dean is vulnerable because of what Amara is doing to him. Mentally and possibly physically . I have no idea what or why.
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 02:31
I'm also worried that Dean's connection with Amara may threaten brothers' newly united bond. That's why I'm hoping that Dean comes clean to Sam soon. Although I completely understand why he hasn't. I fear that Sam might hear about it from Luci and not Dean. And that Luci will use it to drive the brothers apart. And that would suck.
LEAH
# LEAH 2016-01-28 03:01
Hi Didi. I hope he does too. And it would indeed suck if that affected this good place they have come to. I am still trying to figure out this Amara thing. How much control does Dean have? He is so scared that I think it must be somewhat beyond his control. I just can't believe he first saw her and thought yeah I wanna tap that? But yet he seems enamored. Dean in his right mind would not just instantly get a crush on an ancient possible destructive force, and continue even after she has been shown to be lethal to humans. There must be more to this than him wanting a hookup. Right?
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 03:34
There's definitely a reason why Dean is obsessed. And it's got nothing to do with cleavage. Not sure what the reason is though. It's not clicking for me. Why does he turn into a stepford when she's around?

A friend of mine suggested that maybe Amara is not the big bad. Maybe Luci is the big bad. Although Amara is no prize either. I don't know maybe she will save everyone from whatever catastrophe Luci sets in motion and they will all sing for she's a jolly good fellow followed by a group hug. It does disturb me that Dean is catatonic whenever Amara is around.

Personally, this is how I think it will go: Sam will do whatever it takes to set Dean right, because duh. Amara will wise up to what Sam is doing and try to kill him cause no one comes between her and Dean. Dean will wise up to the fact Amara wants to kill Sam, and gank her (using the SOD that AlyCat is so excited about). Cause no one comes between him and Sam.

Carver has said that the brothers will remain united for the first part of the second half. So I'm thinking we might be in for some ugly between the brothers before the season ends.
LEAH
# LEAH 2016-01-28 04:14
It definitely isn't clicking for me either. I really got a kick out of:

"Personally, this is how I think it will go: Sam will do whatever it takes to set Dean right, because duh. Amara will wise up to what Sam is doing and try to kill him cause no one comes between her and Dean. Dean will wise up to the fact Amara wants to kill Sam, and gank her (using the SOD that AlyCat is so excited about). Cause no one comes between him and Sam."

You are probably pretty spot on.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 12:38
Yessss Leah, we will be together. We WILL become one! Why wouldn't you want th- uh, I mean, another convert - yipee!!!
LEAH
# LEAH 2016-01-28 12:54
When do we move to the compound? Charismatic leaders always have one. Cult of the SOD. (apologies to Amy:))
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 13:33
Currently conferring with Jim Michaels... :)
cheryl42
# cheryl42 2016-01-28 06:00
I haven't been this creeped out by a monster of the week since Bloody Mary. I almost couldn't watch when the Banshee was screaming down the hallway. Well done show.
I loved loved this episode. It was fantastic from beginning to end. Great MOTW, brother caring from both brothers and fabulous guest stars.

This is the first time that the Amara/Dean connection has seemed to have some kind of impact emotionally on Dean. It's about time. Finally it looks like this is going somewhere. I understood why Dean hasn't confided in Sam yet. He still can't figure out why he can't get a handle on it. I also understood why he confided in Castiel. He needed a trusted friend to talk to. Yes that could have been Sam but I sometimes you need to talk to someone who is a little more distant than a loved one. I don't see this as being a future wedge issue but a future scenario for Sam to take the wheel when Dean can't handle it anymore.
I thought Misha did a much better job of portraying Lucifer in this episode. What was he looking for in the Bunker? Honestly I almost expected Dean to pull out the SOD instead of the gold blade. (Thanks Alycat! Now that is in my head). Casifer/Lustiel trying to mimic Cas by touching Dean was kind of funny (Dean seemed to think it was odd too). Lucifer trying to pretend he cares. I thought Misha did a great job as Lucifer trying to pretend he was Cas. I don't think it will take long before they figure it out.
I know that RT wants to clear up the whole not looking mess and this is probably as close as the producers want to go with it. It just seemed to me that the point was that Dean doesn't hold a grudge against Sam and hasn't for 3 years. I don't think it will ever be mentioned again. Poor Sam still feels horrible about it and I agree that Robbie's explanation leaves it up to the fans to interpret it however they want (I wonder how much more Robbie wanted to write about it but couldn't). I don't need to revisit the story ever again.

Sam's keepsake box! Why didn't we know about this? Did Dean give him the "Samulet"? I need to know what else is in there and what special meaning it has for Sam.

I give this episode an A. This season has just been fantastic.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 12:24
Haha! My converts are growing in number. I cannot be resisted. We share a special bon- uh, that is a special unity for continuity!
Sisters of the Spear of Destiny! AlyCats Army! Who else is with me?!?!
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 07:21
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It would have been nice for Dean to have said he was sorry for a few things too but maybe they will sprinkle these little moments through the season.
I had thought this too Leah. I loved what he said to Sam and how he said it, but I wouldn't have minded something along the lines of "I still haven't forgiven myself for some of the times that I let you down Sammy." But the show has actually started clearing the air between them, so maybe you're right and we will be seeing more conversations along these lines.:)
BoGirle
# BoGirle 2016-01-28 05:29
I pretty much agree verbatim with samandean; I thought this was essentially a solid episode with some really good writing and POV for Sam in which he actually makes a friend who doesn't betray him or end up dead. I agree that both female characters were lovely in this episode. In the hands of a lesser actress the character of Mildred could have been a dreadfully oppressive Mary Sue type, but with the talented Dee Wallace she was sweet and charming and her attraction to Dean came off as affectionately humorous rather than sickeningly embarrassing. The story was tight and well paced and the MOTW was creepy and interesting. I loved that they've expanded on the MoL's legacy in a creative way and hope we get to see Eileen again. But like samandean, for me it was not a perfect episode. RT's attempts to fix the whole "hit an effing dog" scenario, while appreciated, still fell flat for me because even with the further explanations by Sam THE STORY LINE DOES NOT WORK; it never worked, and even with RT's attempt to "flesh it out" and better explain Sam's head space (which should have been done in season 8 btw) it STILL DOES NOT WORK and is still IMO the WORST plot decision in the history of this show, bar none.
Didi said it best.......word ! You nailed it girl.
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I'm not even gonna touch the looking/not looking, except to say writers please stop asking for me (I'm just speaking for myself) to forgive you for the year of the dog, because I won't. Please drop it now before you open mouth and insert foot in another lame attempt to clarify your previous clarification. I'm still pissed and will continue to be pissed for that shitty storyline. Enough said.
Further, I am with samandean about Casifer. It was better here, but I am not getting one iota of menace or danger from him. Sorry Misha, jovial and dangerous is not your forte and currently, I am not convinced. And I think it's just a little TOO convenient that Dean is so willing to completely spill his guts to Cas and not to Sam. This lie he's keeping is just making him look like a fool and his reasons for keeping his secret are weak and dramatically flimsy at best. He's consorting with the enemy and doesn't even know it. Currently I am not liking either the Dean/Amara thing (which is going nowhere fast) nor the Dean can't man up thing. Ive seen a lot of people say that Dean is hiding the truth from Sam because of an overabundance of "big brother" syndrome. I don't like this idea for several reasons: Sam has grown up and has proven himself time and time again to be his brother's ally and equal, especially lately. He deserves better from Dean then to be treated like a 6 year old who needs help wiping his own nose. That MAY have been their relationship at one time, but that's far, far in the past and Dean's inability to recognize that fact is not only unflattering, but currently causing all kinds of problems. To have Dean fall back into this mode of thinking shows an irritating lack of character growth that to me doesn't make a whole lot of sense and doesn't seem particularly realistic to me. I wish the writers could come up with a better reason for Dean's silence: the fact that he's scared and/or that he somehow needs to put on some kind of front for Sam is unrealistic and quite unflattering IMO. It means that Dean's character has stagnated despite all that he's experienced and all the changes that have gone on in him, his brother and their relationship. It's weak and doesn't make a whole lot of sense IMO.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 07:36
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but I am not getting one iota of menace or danger from him. Sorry Misha, jovial and dangerous is not your forte and currently, I am not convinced.
He has nailed the jovial part, but that's it. When he snapped his fingers and exploded that angel with that cutesy smile on his face, it reminded me of one of those commercials where people snap their fingers and the dishes are done! rather than an instance of the pure evil and power that Lucifer personifies.
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 05:31
In 11.09, Crowley referred to Amara as Dean's girlfriend and that she chose him. This conversation took place in Sam's presence. Does anyone think it's odd that Sam wouldn't question Dean about Crowley's comments?

Or should we assume this one of those conversations between the brothers that conveniently took place off camera?

I just think it's strange that Sam wouldn't at least ask about it?
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 07:27
Didi, that was one of my big problems with that ep. they showed Sam giving that surprised sideways look at Dean but then nada. Which is ridiculous given that Amara is the big bad they're fighting. This should have been the basis for an immediate conversation between the bros. Sam is a smart guy, he knows that what Crowley said could have huge significance. That's why it also bothers me a bit that in this ep Sam seemingly accepted Dean's explanation about why he was vulnerable. Sam is SMART (did I say that already?:)) and he knows Dean very well, so his mind should have instantly leaped to "what are you not telling me Dean?"
sylvia37
# sylvia37 2016-01-28 09:03
On this subject, I felt the same way when watched the first time. But when I watched again this morning, it occurred to me, (and makes me incredibly sad) that maybe Sam just doesn't believe that Dean would keep something that important from him after all of his griping and bitching and condemning of Sam for not "caring and sharing". That was my only thought. But more likely, it's a plot device because we know normally Sam would have already asked him about what Crowley said.
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-28 05:49
I'm going to mention an idea -- We don't know where Amara was locked up for these trillions of yrs. We do know that Lucifer bore the first mark or the Lock & Key. It turned him evil Lucy was cast out of heaven to hell. He tricked Cain and passed the Mark to Cain who in turn became a Knight of Hell. Cain passed the mark to Dean who went evil then demon then just general bad ass.
Death told him the MOC was actually a Lock and Key to Keep the Darkness locked away. My thought is --------------- -----

The darkness is locked away within the person who wears the mark or The Lock and Key. The darkness is evil / she is strong/powerful and maybe can't be killed. All the traits that the wearer of the MOC portrayed. This could be why when the MOC was lifted from Dean and the Darkness was released he was taken from the impala and then later found in a field by Sam

This to me would explain this unusual connection, attraction feeling of being drawn to Amara that Dean has and also why Amara feels they are bonded and their destiny is to be as one,
ScifiSpirit
# ScifiSpirit 2016-01-28 13:20
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We do know that Lucifer bore the first mark or the Lock & Key. It turned him evil Lucy was cast out of heaven to hell. He tricked Cain and passed the Mark to Cain who in turn became a Knight of Hell.
Wait, what? Lucifer bore the first mark? I have no recollection of when that was mentioned. Please remind me. I remember Cain telling the story to Dean and Crowley. And what I learned from that episode is that Cain was the original bearer of the mark - hence its name Mark of Cain. I know and remember Cain explaining that he was a Knight of Hell, and if I remember correctly, he was the first Knight. He trained all the other nights and then eventually killed them all except Abaddon. But, I truly dont recall Lucifer ever bearing the mark, or a lock and key mark as you mentioned.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 13:41
In First Born Cain said that the MOC was from Lucifer himself.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 13:56
The MOC was created as a lock and key to lock away the Darkness. It was then entrusted by God to his most valued Lieutenant, where it asserted its own will and was revealed to be a curse. It worked its way on Lucifer who then went evil and eventually passed it on to Cain himself. Perhaps The Darkness tricked God by becoming the very thing in lock and key/MOC form while He erroneously thought she was successfully banished/locked up?
cheryl42
# cheryl42 2016-01-28 14:10
That was explained in Brothers Keeper just for reference.
ScifiSpirit
# ScifiSpirit 2016-01-28 15:43
Oh, ok. I think I never fully grasped that story. I think I see now. So the idea is that there was originally God and his sister, The Darkness (lets just call her Amara, no matter what). And what I remember Death saying was that God had to *sacrifice* or *betray* his sister in order to make the Universe. So, I guess he created the Lock&Key to hold her and then entrusted it to Lucifer. It corrupted Lucifer and for some reason (this part I am still fuzzy, lol), Lucifer managed to pass the mark on to Cain, where it was renamed to The Mark of Cain...??? But if the mark existed for so long before Cain existed, wth does it have to do with the blade then? Why was I thinking that the Mark of Cain was created the same time the Blade was used????

Because when we talk about The Darkness, we are talking about a time long before Cain or any human was alive. So, if Lucifer was bearing this mark (or curse, lets just say) and he passed it on to Cain, then it became infused with using the blade, somehow?? Oy. The whole time, Amara was still safely locked away, when it went from Lucifer to Cain, and eventually to Dean. So, transferring the MoC doesnt let Amara out, I get that. But thinking about the story of Cain and Abel, wasnt it God (not lucifer) that was a part of that whole deal and made Cain want to kill his brother...???

Im seriously lost, my head is swimming. I swear, I am soooooo on board with Meg with all this. I truly miss the Apocalypse. Things were so much simpler! People were good, people were evil...nothing fancy. I miss that.
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 15:52
Speaking of the apocolypse... now that Luci is topside, why isn't he contemplating re-starting the apocolypse? He's feeding ducks in the park. What am I mssing?
percysowner
# percysowner 2016-01-28 16:04
They haven't said yet, but I'm guessing he wants to take care of Amara first. There's not much point in starting an Apocalypse to end the world if there is a stronger force waiting to take you out afterwards. As he said, Amara ends everything, so first things first. He wants a world to rule, not non-existence and darkness.
ScifiSpirit
# ScifiSpirit 2016-01-28 16:10
This makes sense to me. No sense in trying to seize control of the world, if there is a bigger threat out there that could just take it from him. He also may not want to start the apocalypse anymore. If you think carefully about it (seasons 4-5), it was really MICHAEL and the angels that wanted to *start* the apocalypse. All Lucifer ever wanted was to get out of hell, and in order to do that, he needed to break the 66 seals. Once the angels figured that out, they tried to prevent it from happening, but as Castiel mentioned, they got to Dean a little too late. And then, once that happened, it was *the angels* that were conspiring to start the apocalypse as a means to destroying Lucifer once he was topside. Zachariah explained that they wanted to reset the whole planet. Plus, I think it was Michael that was itching for a fight (and to throw a party, if you will pardon the expression) with Lucifer now that daddy was no longer home, so to speak.

So, truly, I dont believe Lucifer wants to start the apocalypse at all. I dont think he ever did. He just wants to do his thing and partake in his evil ways. He wants to make life hell for humans, that is what he wants. It was always Michael that wanted to fight, and therefore start the apocalypse. Just food for thought. :)
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 16:15
Feels like the show went overboard with the big bads this season. The darkness wasn't bad enough, show had to throw Lucifer in just for kicks?
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 19:59
He's just getting his ducks in a row.:)
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 20:50
Good one Sam&Dean!!!

Lucifers just ducking around...
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-29 08:11
You're piling onto my joke Alycat?! What the duck!;)
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-29 12:32
Oh shut the duck up! ;)
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-29 16:21
This conversation is getting very ducked up. :) And on that note, I swear I'm done and moving on to more mature posts....maybe. :)
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-29 16:06
Maybe he'll hit a duck and...
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-29 16:24
... and three years from now we'll all still be arguing about why he let the duck derail him from his battle with Amara!
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 16:46
I'm thinking maybe the way Lucifer passed on the mark may have had something to do with Cain being human. Lucifer was trying to make Abel his pet, deceiving him by making him think he was talking with God (hmmmm...sound familiar?). Cain made the deal - his soul in Hell for Abels in Heaven but in order to seal the deal Lucifer made Cain kill his brother. Now did Lucifer give Cain the First Blade or was it just the weapon Cain chose to use? Considering that the First Blade without the mark is "just a hunk.of bone with teeth", you have to do wonder...
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-28 17:26
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Im seriously lost, my head is swimming. I swear, I am soooooo on board with Meg with all this. I truly miss the Apocalypse. Things were so much simpler! People were good, people were evil...nothing fancy. I miss that.
The whole original SPN MOC story itself became confusing because the mark at first made Dean sick if he did not kill and would eventually kill him. Then when the MOC and Blade resurrected Dean from death and he appeared to be a demon, Crowley stated to Dean that if he did not kill the mark would turn him into a demon. Then the story became more convoluted when the MOC was revealed to be the lock and key to the darkness. The blade does not seem to be part of the lock and key. The blade was only powerful to kill almost anyone if used by the person bearing the Mark. More confusing is that Amara stated that SHE IS the original Mark. If she is actually the Mark then maybe she did reside inside the mark and was part of the person who bore it or that is how she corrupted the person that bore the mark. Now no one bears the mark and she is a separate entity and this means that IF AMARA IS THE MARK SHE CAN USE THE FIRST BLADE TO KILL LUCIFER !
ScifiSpirit
# ScifiSpirit 2016-01-28 22:23
Oooh, this is something I had not realized or considered before. If Amara truly is "the mark" itself, and Lucifer was the original bearer of the mark, that means she is the one that corrupted Lucifer in the first place! Hmmm. Now I FINALLY think I see the variant connection between The Darkness and Lucifer. For a while, I was thinking that they just wanted to bring Lucifer back into the show as a villain, but if he's actually got a part in the story, it does make more sense. It also means that this thing with Lucifer can go one of two ways: he can either want to get revenge on her for corrupting him OR he can have this same kind of "attraction" to her that Dean does and be eternally grateful to her for *freeing* him from daddy's (God's) influence. Hmmmmmmm. If anything, I definitely like the potential for a plot twist. Let's hope things keep rolling at this pace.
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-28 18:55
I think you are on to something. Amara stated that she was the original mark. Maybe she was locked inside the Mark and was able to corrupt the bearer of the mark.... caused them to need to kill etc. When no one bore the mark she became a separate entity. This is why she wants to be one with Dean and he has this strong attraction which he just confessed he is not sure he could resist.
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-28 20:17
Thank you all for finding my idea plausable As pointed out the only hic-up is that damn first blade. If we take the blade away, I can believe that Amara was locked away within the MOC and her darkness turned the bearer of the mark evil. It is one plausible answer to Dean's strong attraction. and need to be around Amara - the residue of living within Dean for so long wouldn't pass overnight
And Cain controlling his urge to kill did last centuries but he broke and again surccomed to the evil.

It is not important now because it was way back in S8 ? But I am still haunted by Cain's words to Dean. "With the mark comes a great responsibilty ........" then cut of by Dean. Do we feel this has been answered now.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 20:59
Yeah and then Cain followed THAT up by saying 'some would say a great burden' - just some? How many make up the sum of some? See what I did there? ;) Two? Twenty? Fifty thousand? Maybe Dean latched onto that, thinking "Oh, just some! That's not too bad and as far as a great burden? Well considering our lives, I'm used to that... Okay, let's dance!" ;)
BoGirle
# BoGirle 2016-01-28 05:50
Oh, and can I just say that while Sam is spilling his guts left and right, confessing to his endless "sins" and asking for forgiveness that Dean give a little too? How about an "I'm sorry I treated you like crap about the purgatory thing for months on end" or "keeping Benny a secret from you and using him to degrade our brotherly relationship was not my finest hour" or how about "maybe shoving an angel inside you without your permission or consent was probably not my best move." This show's preoccupation with dwelling on Sam's transgressions, having him feel guilt for them and apologize for them endlessly while Dean doesn't even seem to consider or even realize his own issues and transgressions irritates the ever living crap out of me.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 07:30
Agreed! Leah and I expressed the same thing up yonder.
Jo1027
# Jo1027 2016-01-28 08:32
YES! Agree with this so much.
On the Dean forgiveness, I wouldn't count on it lasting. We've been down this path before and he always seems to forget it and blasts Sam for ALL his past mistakes and non mistakes (soullessness) when he feels like it.
I also agree that Dean being the big brother is annoying. I'm a big sister and don't treat my younger sibling like he does Sam. Dean's biggest problem is he likes controlling Sam. Withholding information from Sam is a way of controlling their relationship. He's been doing it since the get go and I don't see that changing. I wanted to thump him on the head when didn't also apologize to Sam for the things he did to Sam.
The writers have a long way to go to give the brothers' a relationship that isn't based on Dean being in control and Sam being his underling. I'd be surprised if it ever happened.
Next episode looks awful. Much as I like Jody, I detest Claire in equal measure.
BigMac
# BigMac 2016-01-28 11:05
I agree with what you've said. I am hoping that this is intentional, that Sam is growing and Dean is stagnating. It scares me that it might be that the writers don't see it that way, that they really feel this Sam-blame thing they are on. Dean should not have forgiven, he should apologize for blaming his brother. But will we see him grow too? Will he realize this eventually? Not likely. It would be nice if the story this season brings Dean some growth, but I am scared that the direction is leading to Dean having Sam's story from S4&5. That it will be Dean that makes the hero sacrifice.
This story was seriously saved by the guest actors and their stories. Casifer was a side show,although Misha is doing way better than I expected with the character. MP played Luci over the top so MCs painful attempts to dial it down when with the boys is actually very good.
DullGirl
# DullGirl 2016-01-28 11:27
And although I liked the line about how 'my brother has always been there, even when I let him down' it would have been much better if Dean had said that line, it would have had a greater impact because Sam has said it many many times, as well as apologized repeatedly, but Dean has trouble with that kind of verbalization.
YellowEyedSam
# YellowEyedSam 2016-01-28 05:57
What do season 9, 10 and 11 have in common? Sprinklings of Sam story-line overshadowed by Dean's. I'm getting really tired of this recurring theme. I'm sure Sam will meet Lucifer again. They'll be some drama, but the focus is on Dean, mostly Dean for the past 3 seasons. Oh and S12? I bet that will happen but guess who it'll focus on. Dean. *frustrated sigh*

1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this? Typical, but understandable. Doesn't want his little brother to worry whilst he tries to figure it out.

2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker? I would guess what he said to Dean; a way to draw Amara out.

3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters? Mildred was hilarious with her flirting. I was waiting for her to butt slap Dean at the end :P

4. Why was Dean vulnerable? He is vulnerable to Amara's influence.

5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end? I get the feeling that was added to please fans. It was nice though.
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-28 07:44
Heheeeee On a lighter note did anybody see Dean slip at jar of viagra in his suit pocket :o:o:o:):):):) LOL

Also The Boy's thought the Banshee fed on the unhealthy vunerable, but I think it was more the "love" vunerable. Not sure about our Irish couple but there was a hint of maybe a marriage hicup, then we had the guy stealing money and viagra and the retirement village manager a marriage break up. Then Dean in love or not in love with Amara
cheryl42
# cheryl42 2016-01-28 10:55
https://49.media.tumblr.com/ce69b34cd78c0cb7ef635fda815b78c4/tumblr_o1ntpzYpBu1qma04ro2_500.gif

Robbie Thompson tweeted this last night. I don't think it was scripted.
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-28 17:32
Wow, interesting observation and connection. My God, maybe Dean is LOVE attracted to the Darkness and that is what he cannot own up!
njspnfan
# njspnfan 2016-01-28 08:06
Nice, well written MOTW episode with a new type of monster as well. Definitely a change of pace after the last two episodes. VFX with the banshee was very good. Dee Wallace and the actress (Shoshanna Stern?) that played Eileen did a great job. Mildred could have come off as a little creepy in the hands of a lesser actress but Dee played her just right, cougary but sweet. To be honest, I don't particularly care for the way Misha is playing Cassifer. Was glad to see that my question as to whether the other angels know that Lucifer has sprung the cage. I wonder if Sam is going to be able to notice that Castiel is possessed by Lucifer? Minor quibble in that Dean's confession to Cassifer seemed to be a little forced (way to spill state secrets to the enemy, Dean).

I was shocked that they actually went back and addressed the proverbial elephant in the room with Sam not looking for Dean after Season 7. So Sam has now apologized for not looking and did in fact look for him but gave up and has been beating himself up about it ever since (duh). Probably not satisfactory to many fans but I think it's the best you're gonna get 3+ years later. Just wondering what the reasons are for this; did they other writers wear Jeremy down, did Jeremy finally realize how badly he f'd up, is it the fact that Bob Singer is not involved day to day now, or are they setting up something for the end of Season 11? There have been a couple of times recently where Sam has mentioned how, even though he's let his brother down, Dean has always had his back and been there for him. Are they setting this up so Dean let's Sam down this season? The fact that Dean is not being honest with Sam about his connection to Amara, and asked who he thought was Castiel not to tell Sam, leads me to believe that they might be headed in that direction.

1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this?
He would have to admit weakness to his little brother, the one he's looked after his whole life; Dean does not like admitting weakness.

2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker?
Not sure yet but I can't see Cassifer and Amara teaming up; Lucifer views Amara as an obstacle to his end game; curious to see what happens if and when there's a showdown.

3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters?
Enjoyed both the character; they handled Eileen's introduction in a very logical, organic way; didn't feel "forced" at all. It made sense to the story. Mildred was a great addition as well. Wouldn't mind seeing both of them again down the road.

4. Why was Dean vulnerable?
His attraction/conn ection to Amara; Dean also doesn't like when he isn't in control.

5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end?
As some others have said above, it came across as an apology to the fans for Carver's biggest screw up. Maybe it was also telling eveyone that Dean has moved on from this and forgiven Sam, so it's time for Sam (and, by proxy, the fans) to move on as well. It wasn't perfect but it's the best you're gonna get at this point.


I really liked the music selections for this episode; a little different. Warren Zevon's Prison Grove was an appropriate choice

An icy wind burns and scars
Rushes in like a fallen star
Through the narrow space
Between these bars
Looking down on prison grove

Dug in, hunkered down
Hours race without a sound
Gonna carry me to where I'm bound
Looking down on prison grove

Iron will hard as rock
Hold me up for the fateful knock
When they walk me down in a mortal lock
Out on prison grove

Shine on all these broken lives
Shine on, shine the light on me

Knick knack paddy wack
They say, "You'll hear your own bones crack"
When they bend you back to bible black
Then you'll find your love

Some folks have to die too hard
Some folks have to cry too hard
Take one last look at the prison yard
Goodbye prison grove

Shine on all these broken lives
Shine on, shine the light on me
sylvia37
# sylvia37 2016-01-28 09:22
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I was shocked that they actually went back and addressed the proverbial elephant in the room with Sam not looking for Dean after Season 7. So Sam has now apologized for not looking and did in fact look for him but gave up and has been beating himself up about it ever since (duh). Probably not satisfactory to many fans but I think it's the best you're gonna get 3+ years later. Just wondering what the reasons are for this; did they other writers wear Jeremy down, did Jeremy finally realize how badly he f'd up, is it the fact that Bob Singer is not involved day to day now, or are they setting up something for the end of Season 11? There have been a couple of times recently where Sam has mentioned how, even though he's let his brother down, Dean has always had his back and been there for him. Are they setting this up so Dean let's Sam down this season? The fact that Dean is not being honest with Sam about his connection to Amara, and asked who he thought was Castiel not to tell Sam, leads me to believe that they might be headed in that direction.
Yep, this was my thought. They had Sam apologize just so Dean could say he's forgiven him and, as you said, it's unsatisfactory because Dean didn't refute him and the show makes it clear that they think there was something to apologize for, but after 3 years, that's more than I thought we'd get. Maybe in another 3, Dean will apologize for trying to kill Sam twice last year.

And it intrigues me that they may be setting Dean up for a major "big brother" fail. It might just shock him out of his self righteousness to find himself picking Amara over Sam if push comes to shove. I'd like to see that shoe on the other foot after all the crap Sam has taken about Ruby and Amelia and every God forsaken thing over the years. Color me there.
Jen
# Jen 2016-01-28 20:21
The words in this song are awesome and fit well with whats happening with Sam & Dean
Glorie
# Glorie 2016-01-28 11:35
I think Dean is attracted to Amara and is ashamed of it. It's uncomfortable karma for him. Hence the secretiveness.

The whole viagra thing was hysterical. These intermittent nods to their age is awesome. They aren't 20-somethings anymore. They are handsome, sexy men. They should collide with attraction from women quite often. So, yay Mildred. I don't want this show to be about romance, but I don't want it to be sex-less either. Hallelujah that Dean is no longer eyeing college girls.

I like the job that Misha is doing as Lucifer. I don't mind that he's Mark Pellegrino's Lucifer-like. The personality inhabits the meat suit, so I think it follows that he should be like that.
nickmaniac
# nickmaniac 2016-01-28 12:39
Meanwhile, has anyone pointed out that the episode and its official CW description didn't exactly match up? The description read that people were dying "after hearing a mysterious song" - but that didn't happen. CW publicity fail? (Wouldn't be the first time.) Or did the show intend to use a particular song but didn't end up using it?
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 14:00
I'm thinking maybe they were thinking a "Sirens Song" except unlike a certain Jensen Ackles, Banshees don't sing. Dumbasses. :)
They are so NOT welcome into the SOD commune! Fools.
ScifiSpirit
# ScifiSpirit 2016-01-28 13:49
1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this?

Because these brothers would hide anything they could from each other. I wish it would stop, but it just seems to be the nature of their relationship, sadly. If there is a secret to keep, they usually do. I am sure that deep down, he is afraid of what Sam will say. That he will getting a talking to about how much trouble he could be in with Amara and how he shouldnt be out hunting and what not. Plus, it is always Deans nature to protect Sam. And he knows Sam feels guilty about freeing the Darkness, so anything to do with that which could be potentially harming Dean is something Dean would not want Sam to know or be burdened with. Dean has always had an immense strength-of-wil l. He will try to hide this and fix the problem himself for as long as he can. He probably sees the attraction as some form of weakness or hold she has on him and Dean has this strict moral code about never showing any weakness in front of Sam. He has got to be Sams protector, so that means he doesnt get the luxury of ever being weak. I may not agree with this, but I am writing what I believe Dean is thinking...if that makes sense.

2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker?

It stands to reason that it has something to do with Amara, but honestly, I dont know. Whatever it is, I find it interesting that he didnt seize the opportunity to just kill Dean - the one true vessel to his arch nemesis, Michael. I dont care if Michael really is a pile of mush in the cage, logically, there is almost no reason I can think of why Lucifer would not want Dean dead. So, keeping him alive and pretending to be Cas must really be part of some master plan he has. I wonder why he truly is *hiding out* in Castiel. To be honest, I was not expecting that. There are no archangels left to fight him, God is apparently still gone. If he is trying to draw Amara out, then the best way would be to make his presence known.... Maybe he is waiting until he gets more prepared to fight her? I dont know. Still, very little reason to not kill Dean (other than he is the main star of the show and we need him to not die that often, lol).

3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters?

I think they were great. It is nice to see more Men of Letters connections in general. It would be nice to see either of them or both of them one day.

4. Why was Dean vulnerable?

The way I see it, Dean is feeling compromised. Amara, this massive enemy, has some kind of hold over him that he cannot explain. And he cannot ever be sure when she is influencing him. So, he feels compromised and therefore, very vulnerable. Makes sense to me.

5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end?

I think it helped bring some more closure to the whole situation, but yeah, it would have been nice if Dean offered up some apologies as well.
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 14:00
Crowley was conspicuously absent. I wonder what's going on with him? Hell doesn't seem big enough for both Crowley and Luci.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 14:24
There was a quick shot of Crowleys location in one of those promos from last week.
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 15:42
Went back and looked at the the promos from last week. Crowley does not look he is in a good place. What is he wearing in that promo? Does not look like his typical king of hell attire.

Also in the promo, Sam pointing a gun at Cassifer...
ScifiSpirit
# ScifiSpirit 2016-01-28 15:50
It looks like Crowley is *in hell*, as in a prisoner there. I think Lucifer caged him up and put him in a cell, kinda like when we saw Bobby in hell. Of course, I am a snob about this, lmao, so if you ask me, Crowley is just *letting* Lucifer take control for a while and he will eventually find a way out of the situation he is in. I believe that Crowley always has the upper hand, no matter when it seems he doesnt. And that is because Crowley is more than he seems, in my little brain. lol. Sorry, not sorry. :)
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 14:34
...these brothers would hide anything they could from each other...

Sam: "Dean! Have you seen the can opener?"

Dean: "Nope, not a clue."

Sam: *later that day* "Where's my favorite flannel shirt?"

Dean: "What am I, you're personal assistant?"

Sam: *Getting geared up for a hunt* "My FBI badge?"

Dean: *Shifty eyes*
anonymousN
# anonymousN 2016-01-28 14:52
"my brother has always been there, even when I let him down" .
This sentence was one of the things that broke my heart ...seeing my favourite character lying to himself..I just hope that this lie does not become Sam's downfall.
The other one was the apology...He apologized for something which was not even wrong.
disgruntled viewer
# disgruntled viewer 2016-01-28 15:09
That's Sam's thing. He always feels responsible even for things he didn't do, or things which are not wrong, as well as his unshakeable belief in his brother. It wouldn't be Sam, if it were otherwise.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 18:10
I agree! :)
Jo1027
# Jo1027 2016-01-29 08:58
AMEN! It saddens me that he can't see Dean realistically given that he was able to see his father that way. It seems Sam has bought into the same lies that Dean tells himself about what a great brother he is.
IMO he's not much of a brother.
Daisymae
# Daisymae 2016-01-28 14:54
I'm at work so very briefly; I found the ep very entertaining and enjoyed it. As for Dean forgiving Sam-priceless.
Lilah_Kane
# Lilah_Kane 2016-01-28 15:04
1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this?
Like others have said. Dean doesn't like to admit weakness nor vulnerability. But I think he will come around. Fingers crossed. At least I think Jensen said that in a con that he will need to take shotgun position later on.

2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker?
Don't know yet. What ever it is it is nothing good. For me Lucy inside Cas has been really creepy. I mean he is Sam & Dean's trusted friend and they have no idea that one of the baddest beings is in him and Cas is gone. Misha is doing good job or maybe I just find the situation creepy and scary. :D

3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters?
Loved it. Also the sign language was great and that she was deaf. It was well done in this episode and I really liked the character anyways. Love the new lore and the new monster. She was scary. Mildred was sweet and the honor belongs to the actress. She was great.

4. Why was Dean vulnerable?
Because of Amara or Death. Or maybe Dean has some real illness that has nothing to do with either of them.

5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end?
I think it was to clear the air. Sam wanted to say it on his behalf and Dean said that all is okay and they have already moved forward. Which I think is good to acknowledge.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-28 17:45
I have to say that I disagree with the prevailing opinion that Dean is hiding the Amara connection from Sam because he hates appearing vulnerable to his younger brother. If that truly is the case, then I think it's a disservice to his character to justify it that way. Dean has allowed himself to express vulnerability to Sam before- not all the time, but it has happened, most recently in many episodes during S 10. Hell, that was most of his story that season. So I'm not buying it. Especially because Dean is a smart guy and he knows better than anyone how major secrets like this eventually bite him in the ass, the Gadreel fiasco being exhibit A since it led to Kevin's murder and Sam's body being hijacked. In fact, the one who is most at risk from this secret, and the one most likely to pay the price if this blows up in Dean's face is Sam. The brothers are in their mid-thirties now and the writers can't keep writing Dean as being the older brother trying to shield his younger brother from the realization that Dean is as vulnerable as anyone else, if that is in fact what the writers are doing. I prefer to think that he is almost unable to take any steps that might lead to a showdown between the brothers and Amara because of his connection to her. Because if Sam knew of the inexplicable connection he would do everything he could to exploit it as a weapon against Amara. I love the protective instinct that both brothers feel towards each other and the fact that worrying about Sam is practically part of Dean's DNA, and I hope it continues up until the very last episode, but I think we've reached the point where it's ludicrous to portray Dean as infantilizing Sam to maintain the big bro/little bro dynamic. The writers are giving us so much character growth for Sam this season, and I want Dean to receive the same consideration from the writers. So either have him reveal his secret soon, or give him a better rationale for not revealing it.

Sorry E. I just noticed that my post essentially repeats much of what you said in one of your earlier posts. I guess we're completely on the same page!
cheryl42
# cheryl42 2016-01-28 18:31
I agree I don't think that Dean is trying to protect Sam. I think he is still trying to wrap his head around what is happening to him. There seems to be some part of him that can't tell Sam because then he will have to act on the problem. His connection to Amara may be preventing him from taking any direct action. Telling Cas doesn't commit him in the same way as telling Sam. All of this is still to be determined obviously. They are kind of dragging it out too much but I feel like all the pieces are in place now. Time to get going.
LEAH
# LEAH 2016-01-29 00:11
I agree with this but also think there is an element of protectiveness because of what Dean fears might be happening to him. That he doesn't want to let Sam down. I think he is afraid he won't be there for Sam because he might be losing himself. He was able to admit his fear to not-cas.
BoGirle
# BoGirle 2016-01-28 22:00
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but I think we've reached the point where it's ludicrous to portray Dean as infantilizing Sam to maintain the big bro/little bro dynamic.
Absolutely s&d.... absotibly.
LEAH
# LEAH 2016-01-28 23:53
E and Samandean. While I don't think Dean is infantilizing Sam, I do think he is trying to figure it out before he lays it it on his brother. I also strongly feel that there is and always has been a tendency for Dean to hid things that he is worried about from Sam. He seems very disturbed and he does NOT like to open up to Sam about anything that is bothering him deeply until he is prodded a little bit and then it all comes out. I do have to say that sometimes the older/younger sibling dynamic can last a life time. It doesn't stop because people get older. It just changes. I don't think there will ever be a time when Dean won't feel like the protective older brother. Now I do think he should share it with Sam? Absolutely. I don't think he is keeping it from Sam for any selfish reasons however. He has appeared vulnerable to Sam before but NEVER right out of the gate. It's like pulling teeth sometimes. Could it negatively impact Sam" Hell yes. They should never keeps things from each other keeping secrets has always bitten them in the ass .But it is totally within his character to keep things from Sam. I do also strongly believe he DOES like to appear strong and in control to Sam until he lowers his defenses and confesses what in the hell is bothering him. Agree to disagree on this.:)
disgruntled viewer
# disgruntled viewer 2016-01-29 06:52
LEAH, I agree. And that's Dean's problem. As I see it, the banshi chose him not because of his connection with Amara, but because of his fear not to look a strong and impecable hero in Sam's eyes. And I also think that Dean's unwillingless to admit his mistakes and apologise is a plot device and it's the source of his vulnerability which banshi felt. And I also hope that realisation will be a part of Dean's journey. The real strength of character is not from always looking right, it's from the ability to admit one's own mistakes and apologise and not to be afraid to look vulnerable and wrong when it is really so.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-29 08:39
Leah, I agree with most of your post, but I think it's time for Dean to change -at least a little. This enormous secret he's keeping repeats the exact same mistake from two seasons ago. If his secrecy is purely to avoid looking weak and vulnerable to Sam, then it reminds me of how, after he was cured of being a demon, Dean's biggest regret seemed to be how "embarrassing" it was. That really bugged me because I felt it sold Dean very short. So I'm hoping that in this case there is a more compelling reason for his secrecy. All that being said, I'm not rooting for a completely functional relationship between the brothers. That would be boring.:) But I'm loving how the writers are portraying so much character growth and maturity for Sam this year. He seemingly has learned some important lessons from the last two years. I think Dean, who is a smart, strong person as well, deserves some of that same consideration from the writers. Unless of course it is Amara's influence which is somehow incapacitating Dean from confiding in Sam. In that case, ignore everything I just said.:)
LEAH
# LEAH 2016-01-29 10:30
:) Ok. It's so hard to tell right now where Dean stops and Amara's influence begins. Also I do agree he needs to change his stubborn ways. But not too much. His flaws and insecurities are one of the reason's I love him (them). As long as he and Sam have each others back and don't endanger each other I am fairly ok with it.
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-28 18:05
1. What do you think about Dean wanting to hide the Amara attraction from Sam? Why hide this?
I think this episode just told us what happens when Dean hides the attraction he has for Amara - it makes him vulnerable to Amara, it makes them all vulnerable to the DARKNESS which will lead to their demise. Big Brother Dean never wants to appear weak or vulnerable to Sam -like parent/ child. Dean is also embarrassed by his attraction and needs to understand it or get a handle on it before he shares it with Sam. Dean does not have this luxury, he is running out of time. It cannot go on too much longer and YES, Sam does have a heads up from Crowley that Dean could not kill his girlfriend. One more clue and Sam has to get it.

2. What is Casifer/Lustiel up to by searching the bunker?
I honestly do not know. No clue as to Lucifer's end game. If anyone knows all the deep dark secrets of the MOC, Lock and Key and Amara/ Darkness it is Lucifer. Maybe searching for whatever is there that can kill him. The First Blade? Amara is the original Mark as she said and she can ice the devil with the First Blade.

3. What do you think of the introduced characters of Eileen and Mildred, especially Eileen and her connection to the bunker and Men of Letters?
Mildred was harmless sweet, but I do not need to see her again. Eileen was cool because Sam/ the Winchesters need a friend and ally. Despite having faith in friends and family this currently seems to be a very small exclusive group; everyone is dead.

4. Why was Dean vulnerable?
Amara. Jen actually pieced it together- Dean is love attracted to Amara.

5. What did you think about Sam’s speech to Dean at the end?
I think it was not necessary from the standpoint of the characters. It was a way to wrap up a loose end for fans. Dean and Sam are good with it so I think the writers hope fans will be too.
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 19:06
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BoGirle
# BoGirle 2016-01-28 22:08
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One more clue and Sam has to get it.
Another clue? Why does he need even one more clue? Sam was told outright by Crowley and he still doesn't get it? I hate it when the brothers are written as unobservant half-whits and I hate it more when the story telling is contrived to further a plot that is not working organically on it's own. It makes ZERO sense that all of Sam's warning bells are not going off... he should have given Dean his "cut the crap" speech ages ago. Geez, they could have had the start of that conversation between Crowley and Dean with Sam talking to another demon at that train yard (or whatever it was) so that Sam didn't hear it. They could have even played it up like Crowley was going to let it slip in front of Sam and Dean get's pissed and shifty eyed as Sam walks up. It's ludicrous to me that Sam was standing right there, heard everything Crowley said, saw Dean totally weird reaction and then let it go............. ......me no likey contrived storytelling. :o
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 23:16
To be fair to Sam he did have a lot on his mind considering they were discussing how to get him into the cage with Lucifer!
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 21:03
I've been reading that many folks feel Dean is in love with Amara. That just creeps me out. I just don't get it.

Jensen recently said that, per Carver, Amara is Dean's kryptonite. How does that translate to a love connection? Is he connected to her, sure. Is he curious, sure. Interested, confused? Sure. But, love? He is practically comatose whenever she's around. How does this translate into love? I just don't see it.

I can't picture Dean and Amara setting up house together. Dean and God as brothers in law. What? Personally, I can't wait for this storyline wrap up. I'm exhausted and there's still half a season to go.

We've got two big bads this season - the darkness and Luci. One is after Dean and the other is after Sam. And we still don't know what the consequence of killing death is - whatever it is, I'm certain it will be ugly.

And then there's Cas and the whole Casifer debacle...

I really hope the brothers are going to stay united, but I fear they won't. Amara wants Dean as a soulmate, and Sam wants Amara ganked. Cue more brother secrets and lies.

These are just nerves talking. I'm sure that everything will be fine.
AlyCat22
# AlyCat22 2016-01-28 23:18
Interested, confused, intrigued, attracted to... yes, yes, yes and yes. In love? No.
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-28 23:44
Thanks AlyCat. You've talked me down from the ledge. :)
nickmaniac
# nickmaniac 2016-01-29 00:22
Isn't that part of the point though? Even Dean himself doesn't know what it is. The way I see it, it's a spell that she has on him -- some sort of influence that puts him in a trance-like state, creates "bliss" -- and he's never encountered that before, so it's freaking him out. And rightfully so. Personally I find it fascinating and am curious to see where this leads. I don't think it's "love" though. Love is too pure, uncorrupted. This is -- something. Something creepy. And mysterious. And frightening. So much so that it's thrown Dean for a tailspin and he doesn't know how to process it. That's my take on it. :) Meanwhile, is Amara also thrown a curve by how Dean is affecting *her*, or does she know *precisely* what's going on? Interesting times!
Didi
# Didi 2016-01-29 04:35
I guess I'm just not excited about the Dean/Amara storyline. I don't know, maybe if they pick up the pace, I'll get behind it more. But right now it just bores me.

Also too many big bads for me this season. The devil and the darkness both walking the earth at the same time? Seriously, WTF? Lets resurrect Eve and Dick Roman while we're at it. The Winchesters can handle it. After all they are the WINchesters.
spnlit
# spnlit 2016-01-30 13:43
In regard to the LOVE connection of Amara and Dean. I agree that the Love I am talking about is not the LOVE/LIGHT/ GOOD kind nor the Dean and Amara are going to date and move in together. I think there is ample evidence that that the AMARA- DEAN connection involves personal feeling that may include, wanting, needing, physical attraction, and a draw that Dean thinks he may not be able to resist. Crowley saw the connect and called Amara Dean's girlfriend. Dean kissed Amara back when she kissed him. Dean admits to Casifer that the connection is more than just a MOC link and allows Casifer to label it "Attraction". Dean did not go into details but it seems like he is downplaying it. The banshee chose Dean as a victim for his vulnerability right after he revealed he is attracted to Amara. The other victims (at least 3 ) as Jen pointed out were also vulnerable because of their personal relationship issues- (Eileen's parents and the manager were marital distress). Maybe Dean is in a personal relationship vulnerability state. Mildred stated that she knew she did not have a chance with Dean because she could see he is pining for someone else. Pining in a lovesick kind of way. Nightsky also pointed out that Dean refers to the DARKNESS by her personal name Amara. Okay, don't call it love but it does involve physical attraction, some protectiveness, some longing and wanting - it is personal and may be the reason Dean cannot explain the connection or talk to Sam about it just yet. It is also why he cant sleep... he is in deep.
MK
# MK 2016-01-29 09:53
1. It’s Dean. It’s what he does. I don’t know why people keep questioning why Dean hides things. In the 4 seasons Carver has been in charge, Dean hiding things from Sam has been to the core of all of them (Benny/Castiel in Purgatory, Gadreel, MOC and now Amara). He’s been doing it pretty regularly for 10 1/2 seasons now, so it’s when Dean stops hiding things from Sam that there will be a need to question his behaviour.

2. I imagine Castiel/Lucifer is searching for anything and everything usable.

As a supposedly scary big bad, I’m really not feeling the Castiel/Lucifer vibe. This is the least scary version of Lucifer yet. (A single angel goes after him in the park. It doesn’t exactly say much about the might of archangels when stunt angel number 879 thinks he can take one out on his own.)

3. They were enjoyable characters. Mildred was a delight, and it was nice to show an older women being presented in a positive light. Eileen was also enjoyable but the parallels with Sam were a bit too heavy handed. I wouldn't mind seeing either of them again in the future. However, Eileen is a friend of Sam’s so she’s probably earmarked for death in order to get Sam to toe some line or teach him some lesson in the future.

The friendship with Eileen could also signal that things won’t end well for Sam. He’s in a good place at the moment, possibly the best he’s been in a long time. He’s confiding, and not just in Dean. He’s possibly considering a future where maybe he doesn't have to ‘die bloody’, Dean’s preferred way of Sam and Dean going out. He’s clearing his conscience and his soul, and he is pushing himself and Dean back to being real hunters where the focus is saving and not just killing. Sam is a beacon of light and hope this season. He’s the reminder of what is heroic about hurting and hunters. So, Sam is due a fall.

There was a lot of foreshadowing in this episode about Sam and the Cage, from the image of him lying in bed with the shadows on his face, to Dean’s comment about Sam 'not going back in the Cage, period'. A big deal has, rightly, been made about how it’s about saving other people, not just each other. It’s also being heavily alluded to that things are not better when Sam and Dean are together (couldn’t agree with that one more) because the people they are supposed to be helping and saving very often end up being offered up as some sort of sacrificial lamb so Sam and Dean can stay together. With all these things going right for Sam, and with the cleansing of his soul as it were, I think Sam is going back in the Cage or will sacrifice his life in some other major way. And this time his actions won’t be partially driven by guilt (the guilt at letting Dean down because Sam tried to save people’s lives or because he dared to find happiness when he believed Dean was dead......), or because he feels he’s the least of all of them. He’ll have nothing to ‘atone’ for by going back in the Cage etc, it will just be pure sacrifice to save others.

4. Dean is vulnerable because he has just told Lucifer about his attraction to the Darkness.

5. I hated it. Once again, another apology from Sam but absolutely no explanation as to why what happened, happened. What’s worse is that Dean didn’t even bother to ask him why, so now his extremely limited and negative interpretation of events, and of his brother, are what he will accept as fact i.e. Sam left me to die for a girl. No consideration that Sam thought he was dead, or that Sam broke down, no recollection of all the times Sam did save his life, all the times Sam did search and tore the world apart searching; those things aren’t important. Just, Sam wouldn’t save me, what a horrible, traitorous brother he is. (Or was. Sam is playing a blinder this season. He has done and said nothing that Dean can be even remotely critical of.) This then, of course, totally justifies Dean’s appalling treatment of Sam in the aftermath and how persistently he brings it up when it suits him.

And I have no doubt that it (the not looking) will be brought up again. It’s been bought up twice in quick succession so they’re reminding the viewers of it pretty heavily. They didn’t close off anything because there was still no explanation as to why. (And it really says a lot about fandom that, for many, things are considered tied up as soon as Sam apologies. Once he does that then fandom is sated so explanations are irrelevant.) The next time Dean needs to shut Sam down, it’ll be brought up again.

Add to that, it pushes the agenda that Sam must always be the one seeking forgiveness, while Dean must always be the one granting forgiveness. Way to nail home the ‘One is always right while the other is always wrong’ mentality.

But hey, in a Robbie Thompson episode, I’m just glad he didn’t have Sam crawl to Dean and, on bended knee, beg for forgiveness for 35 out of the 42 minutes.
Barbara Maake
# Barbara Maake 2016-01-29 16:34
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Sam is a beacon of light and hope this season. He’s the reminder of what is heroic about hurting and hunters.

MK, I agreed with most of your post, but that was my favorite part. You really put into words so beautifully the reason why I am loving this season so much.